A UK forum is encouraging a desperate parent of a trans identified male to seek out DIY hormones, without consulting health care professionals, how is this dangerous advice legal?

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OP "If anyone could help me to understand, I would be extremely grateful. I just want my daughter to be alive and happy in her own skin as much as possible ."

Responses: "diy is reliable and safe, there are communities that will be able to help, and really all it is getting a blood test every now and then to check how low or high a couple numbers are and adjusting accordingly."

Full details here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1rw0bac/please_help_parent_to_a_16_year_old/

How is this even slightly legal? The pro anorexia sites were shut down right? The pro suicide?

It does seem a shame to sign up to a lifetime of medicalisation and monitoring when you don’t need to. Instead just live your life expressed with gender diversity. I cannot understand why the NHS covers any of this optional self harm. You would expect a parent who’s just spent a decade or so protecting and promoting their child’s health, giving them vitamins and encouraging sport and taking them to the dentist and doctor etc to continue with that, not start attacking their health, giving them a lifetime of problems to manage, and removing their possibility of a family in the future. It’s a full 180.

It's all that huffing and puffing isn't it?

Not our huffing and puffing.

Honestly, given how precarious everything is looking now in terms of drugs and the NHS in general, why you would sign your child up to this level of medicalisation at this time is grossly fool hardy.

There's the safety element and there's the cost element and the possibility of reduction in NHS cover with political changes it's something that should be on the radar. Given young adults can barely afford housing having a situation where you aren't covered by the NHS and you may have chronic health issues from transition is a scary place to end up in its own right. One that won't be good for mental health...

Quite.

that it is their own words doesn’t cross their mind it seems.

In my teens, all my close friends were gay. I dated gay boys. There was nothing stopping me from being gay. Other than I wasn't gay.

In the 80s? They would be sent away to 'camp' until they 'got better.'

They used to just ship children to conversion therapists.

I transitioned as a teen in the 80s

My mother used to say she had never seen someone express true contentment until she saw me in the recovery room before I woke up from my surgery.

Before you woke up?

She has no time for sex realists, surprisingly.

No shit.

Are you grasping this yet @FlumpyLump??

To be fair, sometimes I read posts from male people with transgender identities and it comes across like this video.

https://x.com/janmurray/status/2034041481678270576?s=46

How much retconning is done to support the identity? Who knows. But if so much effort and threatening behaviour has to be put into supporting an identity, it isn’t hard to see that the identity is not based on anything but philosophical belief.

Normally, an identity based on philosophical belief doesn’t require substantiation, it just is. However, the belief that some male people are female is very different when those male people demand others act as if that identity is material reality.

An identity that requires threats like this is not one of credibility.

Yet, children are being advised to have treatments that are raising considerable alarms about safety and efficacy to support these identities.

It is why Operation: Let them speak exists.

Why?

What happened to your UK wife & kids who don't even know that you are a trans identifying male?

See also:

In my teens, all my close friends were gay. I dated gay boys. There was nothing stopping me from being gay.

And

Men were disgusted by me before my transition.

Wasn't it Juno Dawson who said men are gay as a consolation prize because they can't be women?

Who also insists that his same sex relationship with another man is entirely heterosexual.

Also India Willoughby being affronted because his advances to a heterosexual man were met with an unequivocal rebuff.

All these gay men and teens desperate for the love of a heterosexual man, and thinking transitioning will crack it.

it's tragic

The incoherency of the statements will probably not be acknowledged. I doubt it will be even understood how the statements are incoherent.

The statements strike me as being there for comfort and any incoherency will be pushed back as being an issue the reader has, not an issue with the sentiments expressed.

That is your belief

(sorry....couldn't resist)

To go back to the original topic (although the me-rail has been most informative):

It was my own child who mentioned DIY hormones to me.Its something I have no idea about and I am doing my due diligence as a parent trying to investigate it completely, hence asking about the legality of such a method and what’s involved. CAMHS advised me to reach out to transgender support networks and groups with any questions I may have or if I needed advice, only to find it reposted here with judgement and a complete disregard of personal circumstances.

Surely CAMHS would suggest getting advice from registered charities and official support groups, the type of organisations that have knowledge, competency and accountability?

It’s quite a stretch to think that in some way justifies Transreddit as an appropriate source of advice.

After all, how many comfort statements do we see on MN where an incoherent or misguided concept is supported in the same post or soon after with an attack.

Having a parent claim that their child looks ‘contented’ while drugged unconscious with anaesthesia falls into a statement of faith that parent is making. There can be no logic to support it, it is faith only.

But then the intended attack statement about ‘having time for sex realists’ creates a brilliant effect.

Of course a parent who repeats a comforting faith supported statement will have no time for those who don’t believe in the philosophical belief that is the foundation of the faith statement. What is brilliant though is that this is considered a strong authority providing robust evidence.

I thought it is a clue.

I feel like this is Déjà vu though. I feel like we have had a male poster early last year or the year before that left me thinking whether their posts were satirical or just incoherent conceptually. Or maybe it is a feature not a bug.

You read my mind though. 😅

I'm currently in America with my mother.

In her basement playing video games?

And “moderating” all Reddit comments that dare to mention biological reality whilst simultaneously deleting their own hard drive for reasons…

This poster invokes their mother frequently. In a brief search I've got up to 14 mentions.

Nothing wrong with a man being close to his mother, of course, except he then says that he has the same body type and shape as his mother and asserts that he himself is a wife and mother.

Mum will also get changed in the same room.

I wonder if this is the point to ask a question I've put many times (as have others) which I don't think has ever been answered.

All the statistics, such as they are, for how many children were so distressed by gender issues decades ago that their parents or other concerned adults sought help for them indicate that the overall numbers were tiny and that at least twice as many boys as girls were referred. The research also shows that the vast majority of this tiny group ceased to be distressed about their gender once they were through puberty. The only treatment needed in most cases, therefore, was watchful waiting, therapy from an experienced counsellor and (often) family therapy, plus any treatment necessary for other mental health conditions.

Now, activists have batted all that aside by claiming, on no evidence, that there were huge numbers of other children with gender issues who never came to the notice of the authorities and who couldn't be open about their identity because of prejudice and stigma back then, but did feel able to transition in adult life. And my question is therefore:

There are indeed many openly trans-identified males these days, but where are the middle-aged and elderly transmen? Why are there so few of those? It can't be the stigma and prejudice these days.

And (second part): Why is it that teenage girls and very young women now greatly outnumber boys and young men at the gender clinics? What's changed? What's different about their generation from all previous generations to make this such a huge issue for girls all of a sudden? If you refuse to accept that it's social contagion, even though girls and young women are extremely susceptible to that, as has been known for centuries, what's going on?

How often do we see mothers being used as an appeal to authority though for male people to do something that female people say shouldn’t be happening? It is a fairly common fall back tool that starts in childhood. ‘My mother says …’

However, we have seen what some mothers will say and do to keep their children happy. I don’t think it is a credible appeal to authority.

Yes, is happens quite a lot. My mum says I pass, my mum says I should use women's toilets.

Well, my mum says you shouldn't.

🤷‍♀️

I know! Right!

I remember one young male poster telling us very unhappily that his mum told him that of course he should use the female toilets. It really didn’t play out like he thought it would. Considering many of us are someone’s mum and we say ‘no’, he couldn’t quite work that one out …

It was like his expected extended support human network crashed in a heap back to just one support human. His mother.

I never understand these posts

so you aren’t going to help or support onepost just do a ‘thinking of you’ type post

not something i would put out in the open 🤷🏻

I find it absolutely shocking that a mother would ...

A) Trot out the 'trans son or dead daughter' line, even though it has been comprehensively debunked

B) Support their child to access drugs that cannot be legally prescribed because they have not been deemed safe

C) Take advice from a board like Reddit, which is full of activists, some of whom are clearly dangerous.

How did people become this brainwashed?