A UK forum is encouraging a desperate parent of a trans identified male to seek out DIY hormones, without consulting health care professionals, how is this dangerous advice legal?

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OP "If anyone could help me to understand, I would be extremely grateful. I just want my daughter to be alive and happy in her own skin as much as possible ."

Responses: "diy is reliable and safe, there are communities that will be able to help, and really all it is getting a blood test every now and then to check how low or high a couple numbers are and adjusting accordingly."

Full details here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1rw0bac/please_help_parent_to_a_16_year_old/

How is this even slightly legal? The pro anorexia sites were shut down right? The pro suicide?

Obviously this is what happens to women having normal natural hormones and then subsequently on HRT cos they are testing for known problems. Which don't exist in women. It's almost as if cross sex hormones in males are risky and can cause harm. Which we are told absolutely isn't the case.

It's such utter bullshit.

The inconsistencies make it hard to sort out what is accurate or not.

Who claimed there is no risk for trans women taking hormones? Anyone taking HRT as part of their transition will see a document that outlines the risks and consents based on that knowledge.

I'm sure a dodgy website willing to sell dangerous unlicensed drugs to children for self-administration would act responsibly in that regard.

I didn’t say that an online website would act responsibly. Anyone receiving transition healthcare through a registered provider will be educated on the risks.

If you make it impossible to access legitimate healthcare, it’s inevitable that people will turn to online sources. People don’t DIY because they want to, they do it because they don’t have any other option

'Legitimate' is doing as much heavy lifting as Lauren Hubbard, there.

Some people will call slicing the healthy breasts off vulnerable teenage girls 'healthcare'.

What is legitimate trans healthcare in your mind?

If you know dodgy websites who sell unlicensed drugs to children are unlikely to act in a responsible manner, how can it possibly be reasonable to recommend children go ahead and buy from them?

Where did I say these sites should be recommended to children? I said if you make the care these children think they need unavailable, they will seek out alternatives. To be clear, I don’t think anyone should be educating children on how to access these medications from unregulated sources.

What is this thread about?

I suggest you go back and read the comment I originally replied to.

How does a child find out that taking any drugs is 'the care they need'? Especially ones that are off label and were never licenced for use for kids who like the wrong toys/clothes/hobbies.

The one that said that people claim there's no risk to cross sex hormones? That Reddit thread which is the subject of this one certainly was saying how marvellous and safe they are. Not sure why you are suggesting that people on hormones are always informed of the risks when quite clearly they aren't.

Let me add to your musings Newcastle.

He was a teenager in the 1980s - so age range 50-65 now if we stretch it from a potential 19 in 1980 to 13 in 1989 - has been on wrong sex hormones for over 40 years - say 40 years and 1 month so from the age of 15 - 25 but wasn’t on these hormones in his 30s.

I can’t make it add up. Is this Transgirl maths?

People receiving hormones from a doctor are aware of the risks, and even people DIYing are aware they need blood tests to check nothing is going wrong.

The medicines are safe if you are being monitored by a professional, but like any other medication there are risks.

In my teens, all my close friends were gay. I dated gay boys. There was nothing stopping me from being gay. Other than I wasn't gay.

I've not RTFT as there have been too many comments to catch up on but this one caught my eye. Italics are mine.

It stands out a mile for just how sad it is (if it comes from the heart).

Refusing to acknowledge same-sex attraction and instead believing oneself to be straight (but in the wrong body) is exactly what's stopping so many people who identify as the opposite sex/gender from getting on with life and simply being gay. I remember listening to Ritchie Herron reflecting on his past in an interview with Benjamin Boyce. It must have been the early days of Ritchie speaking out as a detransitioner, because he was off camera throughout. The takeaway phrase was (paraphrased) "I was I'd realised that I was just so beautifully gay".

If you make the drugs these children think they need unavailable, and have responsible adults around them helping them to understand that they don't actually need them, where is the problem?

The parent of the child discussed in the OP is talking about sourcing these drugs from unregulated suppliers. It's not the child who's seeking alternative providers of this medication, it's their parent.

It’s incredibly poor parenting if that Reddit thread is real. This a parenting issue and not a supply issue. Parents shouldn’t be buying medicine from unregulated sources for their children and parents should know what their children are looking at and buying online.

I have no problem with these routes existing for adults. It’s not something I would do myself, but I can see why some find it necessary in an increasingly hostile healthcare system.

Let's give all the kids heroine. Woop. Safeguarding.

Yes because that’s exactly what I said 🙄 Can you do anything other than argue with bad faith misrepresentation of my words?

This all relies on the idea that the drugs work and they aren't addicts.

If they are addicts then we should not be making more addicts

Your phrasing legitimises it as healthcare. It's looking increasingly like is psuedo science bunkem

There are plenty of trans people on HRT doing incredibly well and thriving. It’s very clear this treatment is wanted by trans people and that they benefit from it.

In what way are they ‘addicts’?

Do you think asserting things makes them true?

Do you? You’re the one making extraordinary claims about the safety of these medications. If you’re going to take a position that goes against established norms you need to provide evidence