Enby they/them pronouns - what's the law on this?

[SirChenjins]

New person coming into my team who I think may want others to use they/them. I have a standard team signature that I don't want altered, but if my suspicions are correct and she starts bringing her whole enby self to work, where do we stand legally if I or anyone else says nope, not doing that?

I know the moral arguments on each side of the debate so don't want a rehash of the for's and against's, just want to know where I stand in law .

I don't believe in marriage, but if someone goes from Miss to mrs in emails, I don't make a fuss about it because I respect individual choices and freedom of expression. Your problem is gender. Just be hoenst about that

It's all about practice, and not being prejudiced towards someone different. Politeness & respect cost nothing

I refer you back to my earlier post. This works both ways.

I think we're quite hoenst on this board about our problem with gender

Ditto - works both ways.

May I suggested that you read the full thread as you will see that your linguistic nonsense was delt with earlier
Nobody should have to train themselves to lie about people's sex or to use compelled language so no its not about practice nor is refusal to do so being prejudiced

I have never heard ‘them’ used as a singular. But the way you use ‘hasn’t’ is also totally incorrect, it makes no sense. ‘They hasn’t been around since I got here’ is not a correct sentence in English.
This is why we need clear language, as it makes for good communication. There are often posts on here where someone uses “they” for their child rather than identifying the sex, probably hey feel it’s less outing. However it can make for really confusing posts where one isn’t sure of the number of children.

It appears you don't like your words being substituted to express a different but equally valid viewpoint. Cheers back at you.

It’s very bad manners to use ‘she’ or ‘he’ when talking about someone who is there with you. Pronouns are only used when talking about someone who isn’t there. It’s weirdly controlling to try and police how people speak about you, and to insist that they shore up your beliefs, when you aren’t even there.
In a work situation it must be really stressful.

However if Saoirse was a different name, one tied to a different ethnicity then failure to learn and remember the name could be (and has been) used as evidence of racism.

Wanting to punish individuals for belonging to a minority isn't a "viewpoint".

It's bullying within the workplace.

Bigotry, prejudice and hate aren't positive characteristics.

You aren't being brave for expressing this opinion. You're being transphobic.

If you're so utterly limited that you can't understand human beings are individuals and not a conspiracy, then I pity you. Fine, hold those (appalling, bigoted) views. Ignore the fact that trans people have lives, jobs, hobbies, kids, hopes and dreams just like anybody else. But express that "viewpoint" and people will push back against it.

Because being trans and non-binary is perfectly normal.

Being trans is a mental health condition or a fetish
Claiming to be non binary is a sign of a narcissistic personality disorder
Nobody is trying to punish anyone for being in a minority.
I agree that bigotry, hate and prejudice aren't positive characteristics could you remind your trans community about that
Refusing/not believing in gender ideology isn't transphobic its a legally protected belief system held by most people
Humans are individuals but they cannot change sex.
Calling someone bigoted for holding different views, values or beliefs is bigotry and harassment and you should expect to be challenged and pulled up for your bigoted anti woman views

Nobody wants to 'punish' people for choosing to identify as trans or non-binary. But those people must accept that there are many people who don't believe in gender identity, and it goes against our own beliefs to pretend that they have changed sex or that they don't have a sex.

Identifying as trans or non-binary may be perfectly normal, just as it's perfectly normal to hold any other belief, such as a belief in God. But it's also perfectly normal to hold the belief that people who identify as trans or non-binary haven't actually changed sex (or become sexless), and this particular belief is protected by law, thanks to Maya Forstater.

The expectation that other people will pretend to share your belief that people can change sex, or not have a sex, is totally unreasonable. Forcing other people to comply with your belief system and pretend that they share it is bullying. The bigots are the people who refuse to accept that other people don't share their belief in gender identity and don't believe that people can change sex.

I had started to reply to @TransParentlyAnnoyed but I see the last two posts have explained everything perfectly.

Nope, trans people are completely normal human beings.

The trope of a hyper-sexual woman whose entire existence is defined by their hunger for sex, is from porn. It's been used against minority women forever.

Trans people get up each.morning, take the kids to school, make toast and go to work just like anyone else. They have mortgages, pay rent, and but Mother's Day cards.

I'm sorry for what hate has done to you, and hope things improve. Unless you're a bot, in which case I hope you get less boring programming instructions in future. Beep boop.

Oh, please. Trans and non-binary people just exist, and arguing that you don't want to respect their existence is not going to make them go away.

Holding transphobic views is one thing, but targeting work colleagues because you don't like the minority they belong to is bullying. It's the definition of prejudice.

Trans and non-binary people aren't a conspiracy against anyone, they're just people. And treating them as a malicious collective is conspiratorial thinking. Leaving them alone and just getting on with your own life really is an option.

"I don't hate trans people , they're just part of a harmful quasi religious death cult" lol

Well, I was going to apologise for being rubbish at using the reply.& quote system here, because I did reply to the wrong person, but you're clearly so full of hatred I shall simply back away before the explosion.

OP, just to add: please do express your views in the workplace. Your colleagues will be happier without you.

Hate poisons the soul. Collective hate against a minority even more so.

I shall get lost.

While I will (eventually, I hope) improve my internet skills, you'll all still be here mad that trans people exist. I guess you'll all keep creating more fake panics of the "Oh no! One is in my workplace, how can I maliciously disrespect them and get away with it, please advise!" kind.

Any of you who can't envision your life without this hate, please get out now. understand what you are doing to yourselves. None of this is helping you. And it won't make trans people go away either.

Bye.

And treating them as a malicious collective is conspiratorial thinking.

Oh, what irony there is in that ^ statement!

Leaving them alone and just getting on with your own life really is an option.

I totally agree. But only if it works both ways. If this group of trans-identifying men could keep out of women's stuff that'd be great. Most men do manage it. Why can't they?

Where did I say that people who identify as trans and non-binary don't exist? Of course they exist, which is why we're having this discussion. Stating the fact that they haven't changed sex or ceased to have a sex isn't denying their existence, it's simply stating a scientific fact, which is also a belief protected by law.

Nobody is targeting anyone. Not complying with the belief systems of other people isn't 'bullying'. We have the right not to believe that people can change sex or cease to have a sex.

I'm happy to leave people who believe in sex changes and gender identity alone. But are they happy to leave me alone and respect my beliefs? It seems not. Why is the respect only supposed to go in one direction?

Not believing in gender identity or sex changes isn't a conspiracy against anyone. Calling us transphobes and believing we are all malicious and trying to harm people who identify as trans and non-binary is conspiratorial thinking. Leaving us alone and just getting on with your own life really is an option.

Just stop trying to compel our speech to comply with your beliefs.

The use of enby for non binary really winds me up, I must be getting old.

Goodbye @TransParentlyAnnoyed