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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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Igmum · 20/02/2026 11:32

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Canadian Court imposes $750k fine for not believing in gender ideology
Canadian Court imposes $750k fine for not believing in gender ideology
Canadian Court imposes $750k fine for not believing in gender ideology
Canadian Court imposes $750k fine for not believing in gender ideology
OP posts:
HawkinsLabsColdwarEra · 20/02/2026 11:39

holy trinity

BruachAbhann · 20/02/2026 11:42

That's crazy. It's like being fined for not agreeing the Earth is flat. You can't force people to believe things they don't believe. I'm so glad I don't live in Canada.

Helleofabore · 20/02/2026 11:51

I have been reading about this. I cannot see how it would stand up to appeal, but of course, I am not a lawyer. Because, how will the next judgement separate out gender identity with other identities? Are they going to then say that anyone who says they are a wolf (like the teacher in the US this week) is to be treated as a wolf and their pronouns etc are to be used?

lifeturnsonadime · 20/02/2026 11:56

Horrendous. Totally unbelievable that there is compelled belief in a so-called progressive country.

BruachAbhann · 20/02/2026 11:56

True. It's so ridiculous and illogical. What if you identify as a person who doesn't believe in gender ideology?

MarieDeGournay · 20/02/2026 12:05

From the judgement:
Transpeople are, by definition, people “whose gender identity does not align with the sex assigned to them at birth”: Hansman at para. 12. If a person elects not to “believe” that gender identity is separate from sex assigned at birth, then they do not “believe” in transpeople. This is a form of existential denial: Oger (No. 7) at para. 61. It is not, as Mr. Neufeld argues, akin to religious beliefs. A person does not need to believe in Christianity to accept that another person is Christian. However, to accept that a person is transgender, one must accept that their gender identity is different than their sex assigned at birth.

Deeply worrying. It superficially makes sense, but that last sentence is so ...what's the word...contingent? it assumes acceptance validity of terms like 'gender' 'gender identity' and 'sex assigned at birth'.

If you do not accept the validity of those concepts, you have no chance of justice.

This is a useful though shocking example of how a system of justice can be undermined by an ideology so pervasive that it can change the accepted meaning of words, biological facts etc. and penalise people who do not go along with the changes.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 20/02/2026 12:19

Wow. That is utterly batshit. Canada is a scary place.

crowsfeet57 · 20/02/2026 12:24

I always thought that Canada was the USA's more sensible neighbour. Clearly I was wrong.

MsGreying · 20/02/2026 12:24

Follow the money.

ErrolTheDragon · 20/02/2026 12:24

It’s bollocks. The analogy with Christians is that just as I don’t believe in god, salvation etc etc, I accept that other people do genuinely believe that, in order to accept a person is transgender I only need to accept that the individual believes that they have a ‘gender identity’ which is different from their sex. I do not need to share their beliefs.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 20/02/2026 12:34

Thank you @ErrolTheDragon My brain was hurting with the attempt to get hold of the flaw in the judge's argument. You nailed it.

EasternStandard · 20/02/2026 12:46

I can’t read all of it but it’s beyond Orwellian.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 20/02/2026 12:52

ErrolTheDragon · 20/02/2026 12:24

It’s bollocks. The analogy with Christians is that just as I don’t believe in god, salvation etc etc, I accept that other people do genuinely believe that, in order to accept a person is transgender I only need to accept that the individual believes that they have a ‘gender identity’ which is different from their sex. I do not need to share their beliefs.

This. That’s all there is to it.

I could weep over what my country has become.

DeanElderberry · 20/02/2026 12:55

And law to permit them to kill anyone they think would be better off dead.

I find Canada scarier than the USA at the moment.

Myalternate · 20/02/2026 12:58

I feel so, so sorry for normal Canadians. They can’t even blame Trump for their own batshit Government.

Helleofabore · 20/02/2026 13:01

ErrolTheDragon · 20/02/2026 12:24

It’s bollocks. The analogy with Christians is that just as I don’t believe in god, salvation etc etc, I accept that other people do genuinely believe that, in order to accept a person is transgender I only need to accept that the individual believes that they have a ‘gender identity’ which is different from their sex. I do not need to share their beliefs.

This is exactly why I cannot think that this will survive appeal.

There is a huge difference between treating an identity as being someone's philosophical belief, which Christianity is, and acting as if that subjective reality the person wishes to believe is materially reality for everyone. Christians don't demand that everyone frames their language and their actions around their personal beliefs.

And Christians still exist if someone says that they don't believe in Christianity.

There is nothing of substance upholding this current judgement.

But then, the punishment is the process.

Sskka · 20/02/2026 13:03

ErrolTheDragon · 20/02/2026 12:24

It’s bollocks. The analogy with Christians is that just as I don’t believe in god, salvation etc etc, I accept that other people do genuinely believe that, in order to accept a person is transgender I only need to accept that the individual believes that they have a ‘gender identity’ which is different from their sex. I do not need to share their beliefs.

Not quite – “in order to accept a person is transgender” you first have to accept that there is such a thing as ‘transgender’. The tribunal is smuggling in that a priori conclusion and it shouldn’t be accepted.

If you don’t accept it (as I don’t) then I am not accepting that he is transgender (because I can’t), but I can accept that he calls himself ‘transgender’. Would that be enough for Canada? Presumably not, but in that case what exactly is being policed here?!

LiftAndCoast · 20/02/2026 13:04

"A person does not need to believe in Christianity to accept that another person is Christian. However, to accept that a person is transgender, one must accept that their gender identity is different than their sex assigned at birth."

This is absolutely ridiculous. I could equally say that as to accept that a person is a Christian one must accept that their soul has been saved by Jesus Christ. That's an integral part of being a Christian, so saying you don't believe in souls or Jesus is 'existential denial'. Why are you denying the existence of Christians, atheists?

Gender ideology is nonsense on stilts.

FranticFrankie · 20/02/2026 13:05

Agree- batshit bonkers

Is the 'Oger' cited above the fragrant 'Morgane' ?

Kucinghitam · 20/02/2026 13:07

Oh, Tranada!

Helleofabore · 20/02/2026 13:07

Is the 'Oger' cited above the fragrant 'Morgane' ?

yes

Helleofabore · 20/02/2026 13:09

What would be the outcome here? That the man should be respected as a wolf?

Parents Outraged Over Fort Bragg Teacher Who Identifies as a Trans Wolf, 'Lilith Deathhowl'
The parents are upset that administrators have allowed him to engage in "disturbing behavior" that involves dressing in feminine clothing in class, as well as wearing a dog collar with fetish tags and an animal tail.
The letter also alleges that the teacher has involved children in his sexual fetishes by doing the following:

  • telling students he turns into a "wolf" at night – his fetish animal;
  • directing them to howl like wolves;
  • requiring them to call him by some of his online wolf character names;
  • requiring his students to address him by inaccurate female names and pronouns;
  • and telling the children he is "actually a woman" who "likes boys."

Parents reported that their children felt scared and anxious after the teacher flaunted his sexualized persona. One mother told Liberty Counsel that her daughter expressed fear, saying, "Mommy, I'm scared he's going to come eat me," referring to statements the teacher made about turning into a wolf at night. Another child reportedly said, "Mommy, Ms. Roxxie says he was born in a male's body, but he's actually a woman, but he likes boys!"Liberty Counsel's letter also lists several names the teacher purportedly uses, including "Roxxanne Wildheart," "Kiera Blackheart," "Lilith Deathhowl," "Captain Roxxie," "Artemis Deathhowl," "savagebeastqueen" and many other names.

cbn.com/news/us/parents-outraged-over-fort-bragg-teacher-who-identifies-trans-wolf-lilith-deathhowl

Parents Outraged Over Fort Bragg Teacher Who Identifies as a Trans Wolf, 'Lilith Deathhowl'

A group of military families at Fort Bragg is expressing deep concern about a teacher at their children's school who ide

https://cbn.com/news/us/parents-outraged-over-fort-bragg-teacher-who-identifies-trans-wolf-lilith-deathhowl

ditalini · 20/02/2026 13:11

It's akin to prosecuting a person who does not believe that the bread and wine are literally the body and blood of Christ.

Greyskybluesky · 20/02/2026 13:12

It is anything but "inclusive"

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