Canadian Court imposes $750k fine for not believing in gender ideology

[Igmum]

What is this madness? https://x.com/HJoyceGender/status/2024566072066683251

I cannot believe an educated judge fell into such a trivial error,

I can. These logical fallacies trap the smartest people. I could see something was wrong but I didn't see what it was it straight away. And if you're predisposed to the idea that nice people accept these beliefs you'd be primed to fall straight into it.

So, hopefully it will get taken apart thoroughly at appeal.

Period cramps. The sensation of passing a clot or an embryo while miscarrying. Labour. The sensation of squeezing a melon out of your vagina. Need I go on? Being shoulder-barged into the road because you wrapped in a straight line along the pavement, while a man walked toward you with plenty of space on his other side. Or how about the feeling of having a heart attack, but it not being recognised because you’re not hurting in the right place or making enough fuss for it to be serious.

Or are you referring to emotional feelings, rather than physical?

Being told to make the tea in a meeting where you are not the most junior. Making suggestions that are ignored, yet minutes later a man makes the same suggestion and it is lauded as an excellent idea. Going to buy something technical or mechanical, and the salesman trails only to you male companion. Being judged and criticised out loud for wearing clothes that are ‘too revealing’ or ‘too young’. The fear of walking home at night and wondering air the man walking a few places behind you, knowing you are not strong enough to resist him if he chooses to overpower you. Being told how wonderful your OH is for ‘babysitting’ his children while you take a rare break. Going to the doctor with the same physical symptoms as your male OH and being prescribed antidepressants, whereas he was referred immediately for further investigation - which may well result in the last point of my previous paragraph. But if you make ‘too much’ fuss, then you’re hysterical. Being verbally slapped down for being ‘aggressive’ if you dare to be calmly or firmly assertive.

No idea. In the same way I have no Idea how people's gods speak to them because I don't believe, I have go idea how or what their inner essence says as I don't have one

Yes, genderism is like telling everyone that they have the freedom to choose which religion to belong to, but that they MUST believe in a God. And must never even hint that they don't.

This will age like milk, sooner rather than later I hope.

Me too. Seems I was wrong. Canada is cray cray.

They can fine everyone all the money in the world, but eppur si muove

Key point,
The people suing him and to whom the money must be paid
are school teachers
the people teaching the next generation how to think

https://www.hrreporter.com/focus-areas/diversity/750000-bc-human-rights-tribunal-orders-payout-in-ruling-against-former-school-trustee/394094

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/barry-neufeld-former-chilliwack-bc-trustee-pay-hate-speech-tribunal-2slgbtq-9.7098536

Surely @potpourreeis asking about emotions, not experiences? 🤷‍♀️

Maybe. They were not very clear.

Nobody can be expected to experience another person's emotions.

Canada has effectively brought in a Blasphemy law.
"agree with the state religion or face financial sanctions"

It’s appalling. Even if we accept all their premises and conclusions, it’s still nonsense.

Let’s say I don’t believe Sikhs exist. It’s a weird belief. It’s still totalitarian overreach to fine me for not believing they exist. Even for saying it.

I can’t believe that rural Canadians believe this bulldhit. Surely it is the stoners and coke heads in Vancouver ? How has this silliness taken such a grip?

The fear of getting pregnant by rape.
Not all women have this fear of course, but no men have it.

I'm not so sure. Some of them genuinely believe that they can get pregnant so presumably can fear getting pregnant by rape.

Well I'm hoping he will appeal and the higher courts will tell the lower courts not to be such loons, but this is Canada so they might just double the fine.

Agree with this. There seem to be no checks and balances in Canada. It's one way dystopia.

If a person elects not to “believe” that gender identity is separate from sex assigned at birth, then they do not “believe” in transpeople. This is a form of existential denial

And a judge, an educated professional person, uses this to back a system of forced belief? When the bloody obvious answer is
Yes, transpeople exist and are human beings same as everyone else.
No, identifying as something they’re not does not make them that thing. Like @Helleofabore’s ‘wolf’, they are ordinary men or women who call themselves something different.

to accept that a person is transgender, one must accept that their gender identity is different than their sex assigned at birth.

Yes of course we accept that. But their gender identity is just a product of their imagination. They can change it any time they like, just as they can change their religion.

As @FlirtsWithRhinos demonstrates, above, the logic doesn’t stand up even by its own lights.

How can any sane adult, let alone a legal practitioner, base an important judgement on such a childishly weak argument?

to accept that a person is transgender, one must accept that their gender identity is different than their sex assigned at birth.

We just have to accept that they believe their gen id is different to their sex, we don't have to believe it too, it doesn't make 'trans' disappear if we don't, (I know I've tried), they're not tinkler bell.

I disagree that male people can feel those (in your first list) but you are free to disagree- I'm not Canada.

… and we have a name for systems where laws …demand that everyone frames their language and their actions around their [government’s] personal beliefs.
We call those Theocracies, and generally we favour regime change in theocracies.

Your comment does not make sense ?

The problem here, legally, is that gender and gender identity and transgenderism do have a legal existence in Canada, and are protected identities.

So it doesn't matter, in a way, if those ideas are based on weird beliefs, or you could just as logically argue a wolf identity. They just treats them as a fact because the law says they are.

Indeed we do usually call for change in those governments. It seems ridiculous that Canada can have gone this way.

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