Canadian Court imposes $750k fine for not believing in gender ideology

[Igmum]

What is this madness? https://x.com/HJoyceGender/status/2024566072066683251

Afraid so.

If GCs in the UK had not started pushing back hard on GI in the late 10s and building an intellectual argument against it, this would have become an unstoppable global phenomena. I don't think most people outside of MN realise how close we came.

I think Canada, EU and Australia will eventually come around, but only because Republicans in the US bolstered by the intellectual groundwork that GCs did in the UK pushed back hard enough to keep GI from being embedded in US law and enshrined in the mandatory safety filter of big tech and social media.

There is a big difference between spiritual beliefs and personality. No one can prove whether God exists or not, or what God wants us to do with our lives. An identity experience is a personality trait that exists right here, right now.

Not believing in gender identity is more like not believing someone is an introvert, just because you are an extrovert, and cannot comprehend how a person may enjoy being alone. Extroverts run the gamut from friendly encouragement and invitations to outright bullying via intimidation and shaming, all of which put a burden on the divergent person.

How is a gender divergent going to convince a normie that they can never be normal, and have a right to exist as they are without being tormented with multiple well-intended or malicious makeover campaigns?

Hopefully education and laws will bridge the gap a bit, but this will always be a struggle, because there will always be normals that can't and/or won't look beyond their own noses, and try to put the blame on God. The historical accounts of Jesus have him asking people to love and understand, and it didn't take the church long to warp his message to exclude certain people, and perform horrible things in His name.

We must be constantly vigilant to keep human society humane.

gender divergent ????

Everyday brings a new made word up . 🙄

There is a huge difference between fining someone for not believing in an identity and someone not understanding the needs of an introvert.

You've got the comparison the wrong way round.

From a woman's point of view it's more like having a screaming extrovert imposing their company on you. You just want to be quiet and left in peace but no, you have to hear how they are an introvert just like you, and even more of an introvert than you are, and they just have to be with other introverts not those nasty extroverts, and if you want to be left in peace you are mean and horrible and it mustn't be allowed.

How is it 'humane' to require women to please/gratify/soothe men's gender feelings by undressing for them?

No one has the slightest problem with men identifying however they want, they just need said men to respect that other people have needs and rights too. Thats not a 'normie' thing, that's a 'don't be a misogynistic dick' thing.

Compelling others to believe what they do not
is vile

Monty Python had the last word on the matter

It really isn’t humane to gaslight female people that a male person can be a female person, and to have to treat a male person as a female person.

A person’s subjective reality, based on their personal philosophical belief is not the universal material reality. Declaring that someone’s personal identity, that doesn’t reflect material reality, is to be treated as material reality, is not kind or respectful.

So if gender divergence is a personality trait then it has nothing to do with physiology. Why then do they want to avail of facilities etc that do not align with their sex?

Agreed.

The sad bit is that you can't compell anyone to believe anything, you can only bully and oppress them into pretending. Enacting and saying what they know you want to hear. There will always be boundaries to how far people will go though, there will always be those who won't just submit, and worst of all there will always be the knowledge that even with the compliant, they are only saying it. And saying things doesn't make them real.

I've seen so many sad comments from men with trans identities about their knowing of this and how it feels, and yet the dragon still has to be chased. It's as if the boundary has to be found, the push has to go on until someone says no or fails.

Also, who the hell cares if someone doesn't believe you exist? Why is existential denial a crime?

What if I refuse to believe in the existence of goths? What if I deny their gothness and describe them as "regular people who are into black clothing and piercings"? Should I be shackled and carted off to prison!?!??!

Remember Kids in the Hall (comedy group out of Canada)? They had a skit called "I'm squishing your head" that showed one of them looking at a person at a distance through their thumb and forefinger and then squeezing their fingers together to make it appear like they were squishing a person's head. Like a child's game. That's exactly what this is. "You're mean, you don't believe I exist. Off with your head!"

More like you're trying to keep human society insane.

Those folks are doomed over there.

Wtaf have I just read. Didn't think I'd ever say this but I'm grateful for Hegseth on this one.

I don’t have to accept that their beliefs have any relation to reality though.

Good analogy!

Agree. If you look back to the threads at the time it’s easy to see how scarily unquestionable it was.

How is it humane to expect my teenage daughter to undress with a male with a penis? How is it humane to put male rapists in prisons where they are sharing showering and sleeping quarters with vulnerable females? How is it humane to put females at risk in contact sports because a male feels like a female?

no. We’re saying no.

we don’t believe in your religion that has a need to compel us to believe that males can have a womanly gender soul that overrides the material reality of their biological sex.

Exactly. Trans people are not fucking tinkerbell and poof out of existence because someone doesn’t believe in them.

No point asking questions of The Righteous - they Believe in the Bundle of Good Beliefs, and (as we see ably demonstrated in this judgement) there is no limit to the obfuscatory Pious Fraud that they're willing to commit in worship of TRSOH.

That is an excellent analogy. Thank you.

He has been fined for not believing in gender identity. This reaffirms the need to only ever talk about the two sexes. Never mention gender as it is a wedge into situations like this.

They cannot prove there are more than two sexes because there isnt.

Vaginal thrush mold.

We may not tell men about mold, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Womenhood may be mysterious, but that isn't because it's a hidden utopia of perpetually beautiful elves who are conspiring to keep the secret of perfection from everyone else.

Either there are no differences between women and men and therefore 'changing sexes' is pointless, or there are differences that the other gender can't understand fully and therefore can't truly desire. That you aren't aware of thrush suggests the latter.

Gender identity is not a personality trait.

It is a way of grouping character traits and deciding that some traits are normal for women and some personality traits are normal for men, and that if somebody is 'gender divergent' that there is something wrong with their body.

It is not 'humane'.