Guidance for schools in BBC news

[WallaceinAnderland]

'The legally-binding advice for all schools in England also says there are "no exceptions" for single-sex facilities, including toilets and changing rooms, with single-sex sports also protected.'

Vast Majority of parents should be told if pupils question their gender

Gosh Ive had a busy evening with flat tyres, beavers and puking dogs; I hadn’t realised they’ve gone ahead and embedded it in kcsie 26.

im really pleased about that, even if it may not be perfect.

living in stealth and the detransition paras are very important

tbe impact of having this WITHIN KCSiE is great. The last couple of years my school has made us all go off and read the whole thing (though my concern is some wouldn’t in much detail.)

So many of my 21yo son's friends identify as trans that I avoid using pronouns for any of his friends, especially if I've not met them yet.

Yep there’s definitely going to need to be some clearer guidance here

I fucking well hope so. Although having followed your quest and been absolutely raging on your behalf I will be slightly disappointed if he gets away with a humiliating climb-down and grovelling apology, if it weren't for the other considerations I would prefer to see him dragged through the courts/papers/mud and then have to apologise. And pay costs. 😂

They are so detached from reality, just winding each other up in their echo chamber.

Also, um... Can't help wondering, why is the skull talk more outing than literally your entire correspondence with a school in Brighton that lots of people apparently know which one it is? Are you actually... the Grim Reaper? 💀

If so, I think they should definitely have let you apply to be a parent governor.

PMK

Just heard BBC Education correspondent spell the Single Sex Spaces rules out very clearly. Where there are areas that would be considered SSS’s so Toilets, changing rooms, and over night accommodation for education visits, will all be single sex, determined by biological sex, with no exceptions.

So looking forward to seeing what your Head Teacher does now @SingleSexSpacesInSchools

BonfireLady · Today 20:03
I've not been on MN for a while but this seems like an important moment to pop back on again.

Lovely to have you back on here Bonfire Lady. Have thought of you often.

this all seems very promising
it would be great if 'social transitioning' was discouraged/banned outright but I suspect if SSS are enforced then social transitioning will become MUCH less attractive and the contradictions will become obvious and we will eventually reach a point where boys can wear skirts if they choose and girls can have short hair and sensible shoes

It's interesting.

I'm a teacher of almost 20 years, in the South West, although I still have links with Brighton.

In my very large school, after Covid we had a huge influx of children who described themselves as trans
So much so, that the MAT we belong to posted guidance, saying that these children could use the opposite sex spaces.

Our Headmaster is a Biology teacher, 6ft 6 and fully aware of the physical differences between males and females, particularly as we teach secondary. He refused to use this guidance, stating that for everyone's safety, children that didn't want to use their own sex spaces would need to use the single occupancy unisex provision.

It has taken a few years, but whilst we do have gender non confirming students, they use their own sex spaces, have games lessons with their own sex AND NOBODY SEEMS TO CARE that little Joesphine likes to have a short back and sides, and be called Jo. We've even had some boys wearing skirts in the summer, because trousers are too hot and shorts are not allowed.

It's not a Utopia, but with sensible leadership and clear boundaries, the 'special-ness' of being a 'trans student' seems to have worn off.

But, it is such a relief to finally see it in print!

£20 says they double down and won't lift a finger before September, possibly not even then.

@WeMeetInFairIthilien It has taken a few years, but whilst we do have gender non confirming students, they use their own sex spaces, have games lessons with their own sex AND NOBODY SEEMS TO CARE that little Joesphine likes to have a short back and sides, and be called Jo. We've even had some boys wearing skirts in the summer, because trousers are too hot and shorts are not allowed.

If this wicked ideology leaves any legacy, please let it be that all children realise they do not have to be gender conforming and all school leaders take positive steps to encourage that belief in their schools.

It's draft guidance out for consultation, you'd have absolutely no grounds and school have not acted against anything that they should be following. It should not be implemented at this stage and schools can not be held to account by it.
Once it had been through consultation the final version will be for action in KCSIE Sept 2026 most likely.

Actually that’s not true. The school has definitely not followed the existing rules. Which very clearly say single sex changing rooms and toilets.

this just says it again.

“When the guidance came out a couple of years ago, I explained to my students that I knew a lot more about the subject than the morons writing the guidance, and I was going to ignore it and do what I knew was right.
Other teachers, however, knowing nothing about it, acknowledged their ignorance and said they'd defer to the "experts" (not me, of course, but the government guidance 🙄).”

Comments from actual teachers, rather than just swivel eyed loons, are way more concerning.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeachingUK/comments/1r2y1ht/vast_majority_of_parents_should_be_involved_if/

Well done that head. Good to know there are some with some sense!

Bloody hell. At least this guidance will give parents a means to push back on these activist teachers.

I really hope that Reddit thread is not representative of teachers in general. I wonder if they are younger teachers, not long indoctrinated from university themselves.

There are also quite a number of older gay or lesbian teachers who push this stuff as part of the LGBTQ+ rainbow agenda.

worth remembering that we aren’t allowed to post anything remotely critical of trans ideology on reddit.

The vast majority of teachers I have come across support the guidance

if the bbc had done its job and provided more information about the issues across all its channels, we wouldn’t be seeing as many echo chambers like this.

(Support daft guidance)

Particularly excellent that it is phrased as “must not allow a child to …” . So there’s no “but they don’t mind” or enabling pressure on children to comply.

Given that this guidance acknowledges that social transition is not a neutral act and may lead to medical pathways or embed a gender identity, that it stresses their should be caution, it should be rare, other contextual factors around the child should be considered...etc etc

Makes me wonder, on what basis can educational staff safely make such a decision??

And to what extent do they leave themselves open to legal challenges of harm by detransitioners in the future?

It's asking educationalists to make decisions about when to implement risky unevidenced psychological interventions.