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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Mass Shooting in Tumbler Ridge Canada

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fromorbit · 11/02/2026 07:59

Looks like it was a man in a dress. Another tragedy. More lives lost. Boys with violent tendencies cannot be told they are actually girls. The violent background of trans activism is a problem.

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https://x.com/reduxx/status/2021483339719311435

BREAKING

The identity of the Tumbler Ridge shooter can now be confirmed as Jesse “Jess” Strang.

Strang is a biological male who started to “identify” as a "girl" around 2023.

Strang was raised in a family that valued hunting, and began learning how to shoot rifles when he was just a child. Many guns were kept in the family's residence.

Facebook posts from his mother indicate he may have struggled with behavioral issues, including violent tendencies, from a very young age.

Strang fatally shot 10 people prior to taking his own life.

In 2021, Strang launched a YouTube channel that was promoted by his mother on her Facebook. The channel was dedicated to "hunting, self-reliance, guns" and his other interests. At some point, Strang deleted the content on the channel and changed his handle from "Jesse Boy" to "JessJessUwU." The only remaining post on the channel was made 6 months ago and reads "I've been pretty, um, aimless."

REDUXX (@reduxx) on X

BREAKING The identity of the Tumbler Ridge shooter can now be confirmed as Jesse “Jess” Strang. Strang is a biological male who started to “identify” as a "girl" around 2023. Strang was raised in a family that valued hunting, and began learning ho...

https://x.com/reduxx/status/2021483339719311435

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DownhillTeaTray · 11/02/2026 22:19

MarieDeGournay · 11/02/2026 21:22

From the RTE report:
Mr McDonald said Van Rootselaar, who was born male but began to identify as a female six years ago, had first killed her mother, 39, and 11-year-old step-brother at the family home.

I object very strongly to this demonisation of Ireland and the Irish as if there is and has been no hatred of women anywhere else in the world.

Can you name something anti-women that 'Ireland' did that you can not find anywhere else in the world?

Well, the Magdalene laundries for a start.

FranticFrankie · 11/02/2026 22:19

Absolutely @Playingvideogames absobloodylutely - this times 1000

Why the insistence on referring to a killer as they wished or chose to identify?
The emphasis is on the wrong person there. Why isn't there was more emphasis on the victims for goodness sake!
Something has to change

ThisHappyHiker · 11/02/2026 22:20

@Playingvideogames
I'm getting the impression you think I'm defending him. I'm just stating what was said in the press conference and have made it clear that bullying is absolutely no excuse.

NoFineBalance · 11/02/2026 22:22

BackToLurk · 11/02/2026 22:15

Weird reporting on BBC News at 10. Canadian reporter referring to the shooter as “her”. Clive Myrie saying “he”.

The Canadian based reporter would probably get banged up for using the “wrong” pronouns! Although, let’s face it, this undoubtedly liberal reporter is likely to buy into the trans narrative. I don’t think the Canadians have had the awakening that TERF Island has.

BeeHive909 · 11/02/2026 22:26

They need to stop referring to him as her . It’s disgusting . He was a he end off. It’s just been updated that the little girl that was shot won’t make it through the night. Funny how most of the victims he shot were female. Did it make him feel big and brave to target women and girls

NoFineBalance · 11/02/2026 22:26

MarieDeGournay · 11/02/2026 21:22

From the RTE report:
Mr McDonald said Van Rootselaar, who was born male but began to identify as a female six years ago, had first killed her mother, 39, and 11-year-old step-brother at the family home.

I object very strongly to this demonisation of Ireland and the Irish as if there is and has been no hatred of women anywhere else in the world.

Can you name something anti-women that 'Ireland' did that you can not find anywhere else in the world?

What about women dying for years and years due to the unavailability of abortion? The abuses of the Catholic Church against women and children, with the full complicity of the state? Women enslaved and their children snatched from them in Magdalen laundries?

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 11/02/2026 22:41

FranticFrankie · 11/02/2026 22:19

Absolutely @Playingvideogames absobloodylutely - this times 1000

Why the insistence on referring to a killer as they wished or chose to identify?
The emphasis is on the wrong person there. Why isn't there was more emphasis on the victims for goodness sake!
Something has to change

And note that NONE of the news outlets has BOTHERED to find out how the victims 'identified' this is very, very clearly giving priority to the murderer over his victims! Evil!

Somehow these news outlets (and indeed the Canadian authorities) know what sex is when it comes to murdered children, but not when it comes to their murderer. The murderer is placed as more important. And despite the fact sex his highly relevant in these kind of crimes, sex is not spoken of.

I would absolutely care about this if a family member was killed, I'd be fucking raging. Raging that the Canadian authorities have imposed an emperor's new clothes luxury ideology on Canadian society. An ideology that very well may turn disturbed young men into angry volatile potential killers.

Giving mentally disturbed children experimental drugs that disrupt their physical and mental development, telling them they can change sex and no-one will be able to see their birth sex (i.e. lying to them repeatedly over years), telling them that anyone that recognises reality 'hates' them (rather than simply saying what they see) and refusing to give them mental health support, simply affirmation for their delusion. Of course this could cause a young man to go off the rails. It's obvious. It's child abuse.

By the comments under Trudeau's statement of faux shock about this on X most Canadians feel very much as I do. Most of them either saying outright or implying he has blood on his hands from pushing this insane ideology.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 11/02/2026 22:44

BeeHive909 · 11/02/2026 22:26

They need to stop referring to him as her . It’s disgusting . He was a he end off. It’s just been updated that the little girl that was shot won’t make it through the night. Funny how most of the victims he shot were female. Did it make him feel big and brave to target women and girls

This is tragic. Male on female violence. It's an insult to that little girl not to name the truth.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 11/02/2026 22:45

NoFineBalance · 11/02/2026 22:22

The Canadian based reporter would probably get banged up for using the “wrong” pronouns! Although, let’s face it, this undoubtedly liberal reporter is likely to buy into the trans narrative. I don’t think the Canadians have had the awakening that TERF Island has.

I think normal people are very angry. It's just totalitarian control that we're seeing in action. You get fired for not lying - Amy Hamm is an example.

MusicWasMyFirstLove · 11/02/2026 22:49

Carolenarua · 11/02/2026 21:15

Rte's article has been updated.
Mr McDonald said Van Rootselaar, who was born male but began to identify as a female six years ago, had first killed her mother, 39, and 11-year-old step-brother at the family home.
Thankfully!

Progress.

ILikeDungs · 11/02/2026 22:54

Sammidge · 11/02/2026 22:06

What is the significance of his being trans in relation to the crime?

I guess in terms of potential causality but then trans is so confounded with other factors that sorting that out is going to be difficult.

Is there any good data or reviews on the association between violence and kids who have been through the various stages of transition, if you'll forgive my use of the word?

From an anonymous X poster:

"Too often we hear about the supposedly catastrophic risks of not affirming a “trans child”. What is discussed far less are the very real risks created by an affirmation first approach in children with mental health comorbidities.

Multiple studies and clinical service reports show that a large proportion of children presenting with gender distress have significant co occurring mental health or neurodevelopmental difficulties. When these are not properly assessed and treated, the risks to the child are serious and long term:

  • The underlying source of distress remains untreated, so the child may continue to suffer even after affirmation or medical steps.
  • Symptoms can worsen as anxiety, depression, OCD, trauma responses, or eating disorders progress without targeted care.
  • Self harm, suicidality risk and a desire to harm others may increase, not because the child was “denied transition”, but because the real drivers of distress were never addressed.
  • A child can be channelled into irreversible interventions while still psychologically unwell, compounding later regret, shame, and identity confusion.
  • The child loses crucial time in the developmental window when early intervention for trauma, anxiety, and neurodevelopmental needs is most effective.

In safeguarding terms, an affirmation first model can unintentionally become a form of clinical neglect: not through malice, but through premature certainty.

When distress is prematurely re-labelled as “identity”, underlying conditions linked to self harm/ wanting to harm others and suicidality may be missed, untreated, or allowed to escalate. The result is that suicide risk becomes not only a rhetorical weapon in favour of affirmation, but a predictable outcome of failing to provide proper mental health care."

SternJoyousBeev2 · 11/02/2026 22:59

Playingvideogames · 11/02/2026 22:09

Amid questions over how Van Rootselaar was described in alerts, McDonald said police “identified the suspect as they chose to be identified” in public and in social media.
“I can say that Jesse was born as a biological male who, approximately six years ago, began to transition to female and identified as female, both socially and publicly,” he said.

So now how a mass murderer ‘chooses to identify’ takes precedence over giving factual information about their identity to help people avoid being shot.

Says it all really.

So fuck all to do with public safety then and not about how a hypothetical witness described him.

SidewaysOtter · 11/02/2026 23:04

However, the same group of posters will use the same tactics to stop discussion they don’t agree with using the ‘now is not the time for this discussion’. Whether it is because a tragedy has occurred, or because there are more urgent and bigger issues to discuss, or because the wrong people are having the discussion … the angles are numerous but the result is still the same. A group of posters wish to control when these discussions are to be had .. and usually that will be never.

Straight out of the NRA playbook. Any effort to say "We should talk about gun control" is met with sanctimonious hushing in the name of "respecting the dead and injured #thoughtsandprayers" on the grounds that "this is not the time".

When, later, someone asks "Is now the time to talk about gun control?" there's an attitude that it's wrong to drag this up, we've moved on, nothing to see here.

Substitute "gun control" for "disturbed trans-identifying children" and that's what's happening here.

And you know what? If it was my loved one that had been killed or hurt I'd fucking well want answers as to WHY this happened. And the trans identity of the shooter is 100% part of that.

Caddycat · 11/02/2026 23:04

The Guardian reports that "the police have identified the shooter ... as an 18 year old woman with mental health issues"

It then reports: "Amid questions over how Van Rootselaar was described in alerts, McDonald said police “identified the suspect as they chose to be identified” in public and in social media."

Children have died and they make sure to respect their killer's wishes.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 11/02/2026 23:08

In addition to all of the above, it's quite usual in some trans communities to have 'kill terfs' signs with guns on. There was an American politician who wore a 'protect trans kids' t-shirt with a knife on it. A clear threat. These sort of t-shirts seem absolutely accepted and common. It's normalisation of violence. Some trans groups promote violent criminal activity - e.g. 'bash back' who smashed up Wes Streeting's office and the Filia conference (whilst women were attending).

Lt. Governor's Shirt Implies Physical Violence Against Parents - Morning Report News

RogueFemale · 11/02/2026 23:09

The New York Times:

"Here’s the latest.
The Canadian authorities on Wednesday identified the suspect in a mass shooting in a remote community in British Columbia as an 18-year-old who killed her mother and stepbrother before fatally shooting several others at a local school.
Dwayne McDonald, a deputy commissioner at the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in British Columbia, said most of the victims in the small town of Tumbler Ridge were 12- or 13-year-old students killed in their school library. In all, the police said, the shooter killed nine people, including herself; they had earlier given a mistaken death toll of 10.
Mr. McDonald said that the suspect, Jesse Van Rootselaar, was biologically born male and began transitioning to female six years ago. He added that the police would continue identifying her as a female. He said that the authorities were not yet able to say why the suspect had carried out the murder spree, one of the worst in Canadian history.
Ms. Van Rootselaar and her family were known to the authorities, Mr. McDonald said, adding that the police had last visited the home in the spring for mental health issues that included self harm.
“Police had attended that residence on a number of occasions over the last several years dealing with concerns of mental health with our suspect,” Mr. McDonald said, referring to the home where the suspect’s mother and stepbrother were found dead. On one of those occasions, he said, “firearms were seized.”

BinseyPoplars · 11/02/2026 23:10

Daily Mail now calling him “a gunman … who also killed his mother and sister” which is refreshing after the Guardian’s tongue twisting (never thought I’d hear myself say it)

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 11/02/2026 23:11

So instead of giving the best information to help keep people safe they've clearly admitted they "identified the suspect as they chose to be identified"

So they actually fucked around thinking about the suspect's pronouns rather than thinking about what would keep more people safe and be most accurate?

Sounds as if they guessed or had reasonable information about who it was from the outset. It's a small community, and there had been mental health call outs before from the sounds of it.

Edited to add: And instead of wondering whether affirmation might in fact be contributing to this boy's mental distress and behavioural problems, they merrily carried on and are even doing so after his death. Canada is insane.

RogueFemale · 11/02/2026 23:15

Caddycat · 11/02/2026 23:04

The Guardian reports that "the police have identified the shooter ... as an 18 year old woman with mental health issues"

It then reports: "Amid questions over how Van Rootselaar was described in alerts, McDonald said police “identified the suspect as they chose to be identified” in public and in social media."

Children have died and they make sure to respect their killer's wishes.

It is grotesque.

SabrinaThwaite · 11/02/2026 23:16

Playingvideogames · 11/02/2026 22:17

Guardian are using ‘she’.

Worse than that - describing this male as a woman.

Appalling.

Mass Shooting in Tumbler Ridge Canada
RedToothBrush · 11/02/2026 23:18

Catiette · 11/02/2026 20:53

OK, you know what, I'm adding one more post because, like my first on this thread, this just makes me so, SO angry.

BBC: "the dead include an adult female educator, three female students..."

Are they sure? Did they ask? Did they explicitly ask the devastated families how their relative identified? Did they then cross-reference this in case the families were misgendering those individuals before publishing these updates?

Of course they didn't.

In cases like this, either the media are using female in two entirely different, contradictory ways - or, if gender identity does take precedence, they're respecting that of the killer more than that of his victims, whether by disregarding the latter entirely or by simply assuming it (and if so, how?)

And whatever they're doing, they're obscuring the almost universal sexed dynamic of violent acts like these.

To those who ask above whether the families would care about this at this time, I can't speak for them and nor would I try to. But I can tell you that, if I were in the midst of this, then yes, I'm absolutely certain that it would compound my grief.

In fact, I think that, over time, given space to reflect, it would make me sick with rage. Because it would mean that my relative had been, in her death, reduced to sharing an 'identity" that was, in a very real sense determined by her male killer. That she had been, effectively, described in his image, implicitly secondary to him in the very language used.

Talk about Adam's rib.

Edited

This post makes the point well. There's no double checking on others. This is how you know the press knows.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 11/02/2026 23:25

Yes Catiette's post is spot on.

The killer took away the life of those women and girls, and he continues to frame how their deaths are described. The police are using HIS words, framing all their statements around HIS identity and not seemingly caring at all about what the identity of the victims was. Nor whether they think the relevant factor is sex or gender. I'm betting given it's clearly male violence, the victims and their families might quite like his sex to be reported and not his 'gender'.

It's incredibly cruel and disrespectful to the victims and their families.

DrBlackbird · 11/02/2026 23:35

nicepotoftea · 11/02/2026 21:09

Now the sex of the shooter has been revealed, the BBC have no excuse if they refer to him as anything other than male.

Tonight’s news the newsreader also said "her mother" on air but it’s as if they’re all using some AI generated news briefing because they’re all saying the exact same thing. Possibly without engaging their brains as much or more than ‘being kind’.

The suspected shooter, Jesse Van Rootselaar, 18, was also found dead. Her mother, 39, and an 11-year old sibling believed to be a step-brother were later found dead at a nearby home."

DrBlackbird · 11/02/2026 23:37

Catiette · 11/02/2026 20:53

OK, you know what, I'm adding one more post because, like my first on this thread, this just makes me so, SO angry.

BBC: "the dead include an adult female educator, three female students..."

Are they sure? Did they ask? Did they explicitly ask the devastated families how their relative identified? Did they then cross-reference this in case the families were misgendering those individuals before publishing these updates?

Of course they didn't.

In cases like this, either the media are using female in two entirely different, contradictory ways - or, if gender identity does take precedence, they're respecting that of the killer more than that of his victims, whether by disregarding the latter entirely or by simply assuming it (and if so, how?)

And whatever they're doing, they're obscuring the almost universal sexed dynamic of violent acts like these.

To those who ask above whether the families would care about this at this time, I can't speak for them and nor would I try to. But I can tell you that, if I were in the midst of this, then yes, I'm absolutely certain that it would compound my grief.

In fact, I think that, over time, given space to reflect, it would make me sick with rage. Because it would mean that my relative had been, in her death, reduced to sharing an 'identity" that was, in a very real sense determined by her male killer. That she had been, effectively, described in his image, implicitly secondary to him in the very language used.

Talk about Adam's rib.

Edited

100% this ^^ and the unthinking double standards are infuriating.

CapacityBrown · 11/02/2026 23:42

The Guardian etc would all be frothing at the mouth if the shooter was just a white male (which in reality he is) and headlines about "far-right Incel", yet as soon as they identifying as trans (by creating a reddit account with a trans flag and anime character) these organisations become sympathetic towards them.