Trans patient records medical team during cancer surgery

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www.nytimes.com/2025/12/01/nyregion/transgender-patient-records-during-cancer-surgery.html?smtyp=cur&utm_social_post_id=611783878&utm_social_handle_id=5281959998&smid=fb-nytimes

https://archive.ph/z8uok

Has this been shared? These pieces always reveal so much.

General anaesthetics are done by the kg unless you're a freak like me who has a nasty habit of waking up during surgery. In cases like mine they have to give a lot more drugs and its a battle between keeping me under and overdosing me. I've never made it to recovery still unconscious and they've never allowed me to take anything into surgery including the teddy they said I could take the 1st time I had surgery. I can confirm that they remove anything and give it back as you enter recovery as I woke up when they tried to take my teddy aftee they thought i was under and I'll remember the look of shock and horror on that nurse face to the day I die as I sat up and started kicking off (i was 5 btw) until they gave my teddy back and actually knocked me out. I also remember them trying to sneak it back as they wheeled me into recovery but I was already awake again and very unhappy that they lied to me.

I honestly thought he was Pee-Wee Herman/Paul Reubens in that video!

Which, as a big Pee-Wee fan, made me feel a bit ill 😂

well, mate, one of these things is not like the others...

but to indulge you a little further: how the heck can you not know that your sex can affect how drugs work in your body? how your sex determines many aspects of medical treatment and care?

but no: any opportunity to show how horrible women are and BAM! in you go

😂

Echoing PPs, I really don't think his bag/phone would have been taken into the operating theatre. I've had 2 ops and wasn't allowed to take any belongings in with me - they were left in the recovery ward.

From the content of the recordings I would guess it was actually nurses or admin staff who were recorded talking

Red hair?

No natural blonde (well mostly grey now) but the child of a ginger with a gingers skin. So really a ginger in disguise 😂

Poor Numbers, it's always, "I haz heard of lors but I noe not wot they is".

Also, sharing or publishing a covert recording is illegal in England, so this patient's actions would have been illegal had he tried this here.

Based on my life, I can say more times than not 'sex affecting how drugs work in the body' refers to the primacy of sex hormone affecting tissues in the body and their processes rather than the state at conception or birth or however people determine sex.

Medical personnel know that the younger a person begins HRT, the more likely their cells and systems will conform to normal ranges of the adopted sex. Blood tests are a simple example, body composition ratios are another.

Some trans women end up learning they have acquired new autoimmune disorders thanks to how cells and systems in their body react to being estrogen dominant. Some trans men experience a lessening of their EDS, RA or Lupus symptoms as soon as they begin testosterone.

I informed the surgeon and thusly the medical team of my birth sex when I had recent abdominal surgery. He said it wouldn't change anything as all the applicable tests performed were all in female range. I'm sure there were some practicalities of the actual surgery itself provided my organ distribution and maybe placement. But medicine and chemical reaction wise, all went as expected. So in this situation, 'sex' does not appear to be dependent upon gametes.

This is unmitigated bollocks.

As I'm sure you're well aware.

Bunging in a bit of extra sex hormone does not fundamentally change all the processes within an organism.

"I'm sure there were some practicalities of the actual surgery itself provided my organ distribution and maybe placement"

I just don't know where to start with this. Surgeons would probably be pleased to know it can all be hand waved away so simply.

Women. Are. Not. Men. Without. Dicks!

Ok, hiding the thread since the merail train has pulled in.

oh mate. No

I expect he needed money and knew that if he recorded them during surgery the team would probably say something he could sue for. Hospital will settle; lawyers will get most of the cash, but he'll get some.

Just wondering whether surgeons who were operating on me were moaning about how fat I was and how much more complicated that made things. Luckily I was more concerned with them doing a good job than giving the slightest concern to what they thought of me.

Realistically, human nature means that, when presented with something off-the-wall, unusual or significant, medical staff are going to discuss it when they think the patient can’t hear them.

I don’t remotely buy the suggestion that it was not to miss important points of diagnosis. He knew they would talk and decided to try and catch them out.

The levels of self-obsession are, as I have come to expect of this patient cohort, off the scale. It would have served him right if the hospital had kicked him to the kerb. Clearly they are better people than he is.

Did you so thusly?

Red haired people are more resistant to anaesthesia. So it’s not just a question of kg.

Thank you for making me snort my tea out of my nose.

#sorenosetimes

“So in this situation, 'sex' does not appear to be dependent upon gametes.”

Reader’s note/

A human dosing their body using exogenous hormones that their body is not coded to produce, and doesn’t have the body parts to produce naturally in those quantities, will generally be expected to have hormone levels that correspond with those levels.

It still doesn’t make them the sex category that does have the body formed to naturally produce those hormones at those levels. It just makes them a person taking exogenous hormones.

If those exogenous hormones came from a yam as they historically did, did that make the person dosing themselves with the drugs, a yam? Isn’t that the outcome this logic manipulation attempts?

The risk in the post of onepostwonder is that even if their hormones were all in the female range and their surgery went well, it is wrong to assume all transwomen are like them. Most transwomen start taking hormones late or never or have a longer surgery that means their bodies does react differently that female bodies.
I don't understand why people like onepostwonder value their identity more than their and other people's lives. How egocentric.

To be fair, when I had my c-section in Canada they didn't have any issue with my partner filming (in the UK he had to leave, but in Canada he was there throughout). So I have a recording of my first child's birth.

Considering the latest self report on social media about a female person who was taking testosterone who had no idea she was pregnant but felt the urge to push and thought she had just been constipated, I wonder just how anyone is expected to believe taking exogenous hormones ‘changes a person’s sex category ‘.

I also wonder how this take on exogenous hormones works with male people who are treating cancer or other conditions with estrogen? Are we to assume that this is confirmation that they are female upon this change?

I think any person who understands humans can artificially manipulate their body’s hormone levels understands this doesn’t change that person’s sex. It only changes the testable hormone levels in that person’s body. It is and was always flawed logic.

@sanluca I wasn't discussing hormone levels, I was discussing blood, liver and kidney function tests. My post had nothing to do with my identity. Body systems are affected by the dominance or lack of sex hormones regardless of what gametes a person is supporting or however you term it. Weight, fat and muscle distribution, bone thickness and density, immune systems. Over time systems can change a lot, even for those who start HRT later in life. As much as I'll be attacked for even mentioning menopause, it is a prime example of massive changes resulting from lowering the amount of estrogen from one's body.

@Helleofabore In speaking with a friend about their prostate cancer, he said medicine favours non-estrogen drugs to eliminate testosterone these days. I'm not saying it's never done, but it is less than previously done.

I would think most people could discern between a trans woman and a man taking estrogen for cancer or other condition.

“I would think most people could discern between a trans woman and a man taking estrogen for cancer or other condition.”

How?

Please describe exactly how they would discern the difference?

And coming from a family prone to prostate cancer, I understand how that was historically treated. Your attempt to deflect is irrelevant.

Hormone levels impact bodily functions? No shit Sherlock. Artificial exogenous hormones typically found in the opposite sex being taken still does not make any person the opposite sex.

It simply makes that person, a person who takes exogenous hormones.

“As much as I'll be attacked for even mentioning menopause, it is a prime example of massive changes resulting from lowering the amount of estrogen from one's body.”

No, menopause is not simply ‘a female body lowering the amount of estrogen in the body’. That bodily action can be for other reasons too.

There is huge harm to female people in using the terms meant to describe their body functions and needs inappropriately.

This again has been explained to you numerous times. It is an act of misogyny to redefine a female body function to be meaningless so a male person can use the term to please himself.