Isn’t AGP also what every woman experiences when they get dressed up & feel good about themselves?

[Theboredpanda]

I have no agenda here. I’ve always just been interested in exploring other perspectives of debates…although I’m sure this particular thought will get flamed on here and end up very one-sided indeed 🤣
I don’t believe every trans woman has AGP, but I believe a significant proportion do. And I’ve always considered that proportion to be creepy, I feel anger at the fact these men get to walk around, at least in some circles, socially accepted as women, just so they can satisfy a sexual fetish. However, I was thinking about how I feel as a woman who’s comfortable and happy about being a woman when I get dressed up in my favourite sexy outfit and put on some makeup. It makes me feel sexy. Not sexually aroused but I do feel sexy. Is that vastly different to what a trans woman feels like when they get dressed up and look (at least in their eyes) like a woman? Could it be that it’s either not AGP and we all feel sexy when we know we look good as the gender we are or want to be…or everyone’s a bit AGP when they think they look sexy because they therefore feel sexy? Or is this a totally unoriginal thought that’s already been troped out by TRAs and actually there is a huge difference??

Its not breast reduction its a bilateral double mastectomy.
The function should be taken into account as when younge women have their breaststroke amputated and then go on to get pregnant they are often left in agony and/or with mastitis because breast tissue and milk ducts are often left and they produce milk which has nowhere to go.
Perhaps you should do a bit more research before lecturing us about how its just tissue

I think you've just given yourself away, which is a shame because it's an interesting topic where you might have learned a lot about why biological men in women's changing areas is a problem for so many women.

Speaking personally, I've worn uniform for years and I don't think I can remember anyone looking sexy in it, or it being appropriate to look sexy at work. Most sexy underwear isn't that comfortable and a lot of it encourages uti's. Are you sure you're not confusing your image of what women should look like with the far more boring reality?

The term autogynephilia (auto for self, gyne for female, philia for desire, often shortened AGP) refers to a psychological condition in which a man (usually heterosexual) derives sexual or even "romantic" pleasure from the fantasy of being female.

Women dressing as themselves, even their best self is not a fantasy.

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It is ridiculous to compare AGP to women getting 'dressed up’ to go out and feeling attractive because men also get dressed up and feel attractive.

You wouldn’t try and find similarities with men getting dressed up as themsleves and feeling attractive because it’s obvious they don’t have a sexual fetish so why are you comparing women getting dressed up and feeling attractive (AS THEMSELVES) to AGP.

Your comparison is misogynistic

The Lol was a bit of a giveaway too.

Wrong its nothing to do with their gender identity and everything to do with their male sex and their propensity to violence and sexual assaults that's goes with that sex. Then theres the increased propensity for sexual assaults seen in men who claim a trans identity (see graph below).
Nobody believes that porn causes homosexuality whereas we have large swathes of trans identifying males who admit that sissy porn led to them transitioning.
Good try at davro though

You should familiarise yourself with the diagnosis you’re discussing first of all.

It used to be believed that crossdressing behaviour in men was often a fetish in which the erotic target were the clothes themselves, until Blanchard found a largish cohort of men whose erotic fixation was on themselves as women.

Not on themselves dressed as women, nor on the clothes & accessories.

Hence autogynephiliia - attraction to oneself as a woman.

Which is sad, & also explains much of the wounded narcissistic rage expressed by such men at any refusal to “affirm” - they can own the clothes, but they can’t actually be women.

As for whether women feel good dressing up: clearly we may do.

But just a heads up: if putting on a slinky dress gives you a stiffy, you’re a man.

HTH.

Forgot the graph
Here you go @LucyMonth

Or, perhaps, extremely well informed 😘

AGP is a paraphilia. Being female is biological. If I get sexually aroused by my own, actual, real body (as opposed to imagining myself as the opposite sex) that's autosexuality, which isn't a paraphilia.

"But just a heads up: if putting on a slinky dress gives you a stiffy, you’re a man."

HTH.

Concise and to the point.

This thread, and others started by ploppers, just demonstrates that FWR is in a long-running game of Red Rover with Reddit 🙄

https://nypost.com/2024/07/12/health/detransitioner-describes-agony-of-pregnancy-after-being-male/

I have been reading Prisha's detailing of that milk production despite the mastectomy. It is horrific to think that this happens and that these women end up going through such pain and it was never publicly discussed.

The voices of these women is powerful and the world should be taking notice.

The more Aussies tell me about Australia, the more it confirms my view that Terry Pratchett's continent of Four Ecks wasn't far wrong in terms of how the real Australian climate and wildlife are weird (+ often lethal) 🤯

OP (posting on the maths forum): 1+1=3

Other posters: actually 1+1=2

OP: you are all hateful bigots! /flounces off

You've reminded me of how much I loved the New Romantic male styles in the 80s. Adam Ant was 😍WOOOF!!!! 😍

I’m lethal? Cool!!!

No, we aren't 'all a bit AGP' and no, feeling sexy in a glam outfit is not the same as autogynephilia. If you think it is, you have misunderstood what autogynephilia is. It is specifically man being sexually aroused by the idea of himself as a woman. How is that the same as a woman feeling that she looks sexy (not feeling sexually aroused) in her clothes?

Crikey, exactly how much of a grip would AGP have to have for a man to post a begging letter to feminists that he's not enslaved to a male specific paraphilia??

LucyMonth · Today 13:58
They aren’t the same thing OP but I’m happy to have a more nuanced discussion.
I’m a bio female and I have absolutely been sexually aroused by myself all done up and in sexy lingerie for example. I’ve thought about why that is. I don’t fancy myself. I don’t find myself exceptionally attractive. I’m very much average.

It's a male specific paraphilia. Men with AGP get turned on by knitting, ffs. Also female biological actions like urination, menstruation and lactation.

The female version would be getting turned on by imagining yourself having a prostate exam.

I've definitely seen a pattern of plopper number 1 starting a thread and then flouncing, leaving the field open to plopper number 2 who is invariably a 'cis woman with children' and the intelligence and personality of an NHS HR manager

Hilarious! OP wanders in, drops a post, responds to the first two (ignoring all the others), pretends not to notice most of the reasonable posts explaining the very obvious difference between the scenarios outlined and then flounces too late for their protests to make any sense, having not remotely addressed all the perfectly rational responses.

You were too slow @Theboredpanda . You needed to flounce about three seconds after your initial post to look as if your argument was actually genuine.

Brilliant!

And criticised all other posters for not entertaining reasonable debate 😂

You could be right!

Cis women aren't even a thing. They are just 'women'.

William and his wife Winifred, part of a troup of travelling wombats performing plays in provisional towns that house a Bluestocking pub.