Is anyone on here trans-inclusive?

[plinkyplonk123]

Hi everyone, this is just a quick post to ask if anybody else on here is trans inclusive? I know I’m definitely in the minority here but I just wanted to see.

You have just described the vast majority of people.

Well said. This is my stance as well.

No. It’s a mental health disorder defined by the DSM.

It’s not about their human value.

it’s about the fact that, as a rape survivor, I don’t want a man in my safe space where I go for support.

I don’t want to see a male body where I’m getting changed.

I don’t want a man in the bathroom where I’m on the other side of a locked door.

And them there amateurs in the Supreme Court agree that sex means sex. So that’s the law.

Well if trans people don't believe they can change sex, why is there even any debate about men wanting access to women's single sex spaces?

You can't have it both ways you know 🙄

Circle jerk?

It’s a TRA poster on another thread talking about how trans porn is increasingly popular in the UK indicating support for trans people based on “curiosity”.

Is that the sort of circle jerk you mean?

Why is anyone's 'human value' impacted by them having to use the sex specific spaces provided for their sex?

Y'know, like everybody else.

Not in my circle of family and friends. All very inclusive of sexuality, gender, ethnicity, class, age etc.

But then we all live in our own echo chambers, hence the MN GC echo chamber.

Most GC posters here would never deny that trans-identifying people have the same human value as everyone else. You're strawmannirg the GC argument by implying we think trans-identified people are in any way lesser humans. Men have the same value as women, and women the same value as men. Stating the fact that transwomen are men does not diminish their human value, and when you imply that it does, you are using faulty logic.

so many people misinformed here, like saying ‘I don’t believe you can change your sex’ when to my knowledge (and I work in this field) that’s not what any trans person believes either.

You've never heard of Dr Beth Upton I presume? Or India Willoughby? Both are transwomen who are adamant they're now biological females from taking HRT. Willoughby, despite fathering children, claims he now has a cervix.

or being against treatment as a child, when most trans adults have known their identity since being infants

This is harmful and grooming nonsense. An 'infant' (which means newborn to 12 months old) cannot walk or speak and has NO CONCEPT of sex versus gender, or even their own name. To say a baby understand gender identity is quite predatory I feel and absolute bollocks.

Transwomen are men. They are males with penis and testicles, @Pifflepafflewifflewaffle , and unluckily for you, actual Departmental prison data proves transwomen sexually offend 5 times higher than all other males.

Actually there are plenty of people who think that it's possible to change sex. There are plenty who believe that taking hormones somehow changes their whole DNA, that their chromosomes change, they think they are having periods ( despite it being physically impossible), they think they will grow a cervix along with the pseudo breasts. They might just be deluded but they frequently put those ideas out there. And, sadly , influence others.

Do you think advocating for some female spaces,services and sports is demonising "the trans community as a whole?

I'm not sure what you mean by this? By 'inclusive of gender' do you mean you support men in women's prisons and domestic violence shelters?

So they are very inclusive of men

in women's sports
in women's refuges
taking places on programmes to increase female representation in STEM or politics
taking up places on all women shortlists
being in women's rape survivor groups

they're happy with men doing all of that if they say they're women - no other requirement is required to be a TW other than to say you are one

im sure they feel extremely virtuous

Or the one where a transwoman was caught in PlanetFitness in America jerking off in a cubicle in the ladies. But apparently transwomen with penis and testicles who jack off and ejaculate in womens spaces are 'not men'. 🙄What the hell are they then? Because women don't jerk their cock and jizz on the floor in the cubicles!

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Just a reminder that it's never because a man is a trans women

it's because he's a man

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Let's face it our own lawmakers haven't got this right yet.

Only yesterday a tribunal judge agreed that two men had been unlawfully discriminated against by being moved out of their jobs to be replaced by women in order to balance a team. Good so far.

But the judgment read out in court and recorded was that they had been discriminated against on the ground of their gender. Completely incorrect!

In a UK employment tribunal yesterday, heaven help us.,

Piffle.

I'm not going to argue with you. I'm sticking to the subject of the thread.

You are GC. I am not. I support trans people.

On the grounds of their sex or because of gender reassignment?

gender is not a protected characteristic in the UK

What does 'supporting trans people' mean?

This kind of lack of empathy for anyone else's difficulties in life just fuels the flames of trans activists.

It is possible to empathise with the struggles of trans people without compromising on women's rights.

By 'support trans people' do you mean you support men in women's prisons and domestic violence shelters?

Because if that's the case, you do not support women. You chose men's desires over their rights.