Is anyone on here trans-inclusive?

[plinkyplonk123]

Hi everyone, this is just a quick post to ask if anybody else on here is trans inclusive? I know I’m definitely in the minority here but I just wanted to see.

I know it’s my soapbox but we have a third space - disabled spaces.

and I’ve seen it said that trans people should use the third space. And I really object to that.

I object to disabled people being moved even further down the pecking order. In terms of numbers, I’m sure there are many many more disabled individuals than trans individuals. So. Trans spaces should be the fourth space.

in my very humble opinion and on my soap box.

It would be expensive! But, people need to be safe as well as accepted.

But what does "trans inclusive" even mean? We need examples for the purpose of illustration.

Well exactly.

So single sex spaces should stay just that. Which is all women on here have been arguing for. For years.

If you cant define man and women neither can have any sex based rights , we can not identify sex based bias in the world , we can’t treat medically people as easily and reliably
all of this will work against woman because … fun fact… whilst you can’t define man and woman the vast majority of the population can quite easily

They are indeed different things - that's why @Hoardasurass is correct

But it doesn't cause you pain! If it did you wouldn't think like you do.

Women and girls are people.

What does acceptance for everyone look like to you?

Everyone is 'non-binary'. No one is 100% the stereotypes of their sex. We are all born 'non-binary'. You are not unique. You're the same as everyone else.

There is no way to defend women's rights if we can't talk clearly about sex.

If you post on the feminist board, it is likely that people will refer to sex and its implications.

How does letting men into women’s single sex spaces keep women safe?

What is that?

Fgs.

If you would like to undress in mixed sex facilities you can enjoy yourself to your heart's content in mixed sex gender neutral spaces. Believe whatever you like and have fun, sincerely.

Trying to nag and ridicule and deride women's expressed needs and experiences, in order to try and force those women to submit to undressing for the benefit of men is really not anything to be proud of, it's pretty revolting. Live and let live for pete's sake. And stop demanding that women minimise and ignore their needs while embracing men's (and yours). 'My thing matters and yours doesn't.' It's not winning friends and influencing people, is it?

Besides which, this ship has sailed. It's gone. It's over. The SCJ states women get single sex spaces, and it doesn't matter who agrees and who doesn't. But this kind of grotty harassment of women who won't submit and subordinate themselves for men is exactly WHY women have and need these protections in law. On a sexed basis.

Gender is a social construction that has been used to oppress women for millenia.
Nobody has a gender or gender identity.
Oh and I'm well aware of gender ideology and its harms but I'm an atheist and dont follow or believe in gender ideology.
Perhaps you should read up some more on the cult of gender ideology

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Everyone feels pain. It is part of the human condition; and not something that can be removed. You have to learn to cope with it, and also take a differnt approach to the sorts of situations in which pain is encountered. Sometimes it is our own false expectations which cause us the greatest difficulty.

Exactly, my late DH was a gentleman as was my dad. Neither would have dreamt of going into a female space unless it was to save lives.

Are multiple trans people being murdered? More (per capita) than women are being murdered?

Third spaces would be ideal. Then everyone could be safe. And respected. But we have advocated that for a decade. It is trans (primarily transwomen) who say no to it. Because they think it 'others' them and 'outs' them. They want the women in the spaces to validate them. A third space/Gender Neutral space doesn't give them that validation as women. But I am in favour of male, female and gender neutral. It's the only way forward. But transwomen (at least the radical trans activists) won't come at it.

Not if trans inclusion means disregarding women’s rights.
Day to day, yes fine my ex partner is trans now and we are friends.

They don't

Me being female causes me horrendous pain every day of my life. It always did (I’m ND and I didn’t ever want to be a girl) and even more so now with menopause and my rape and SA.

Definitely. Don't demonise any group, happy to use whatever name you ask for, mostly don't worry about who else in in shared bathrooms.

Also don't think trans women are women, keen on single sex spaces in a lot of circumstances and think most sports should be segregated.

You haven't heard of Dr Beth Upton or India Willoughby. Both transwomen who say taking HRT turned them into biological females. Willoughby fathered children. But now says he has grown a cervix. This is how truly messed up some are.

Gender is literally just a social construct based on sex roles. Sex is material reality. Trans identified males are claiming to be the same as female people. Maybe it’s you who should have a read up?