Is anyone on here trans-inclusive?

[plinkyplonk123]

Hi everyone, this is just a quick post to ask if anybody else on here is trans inclusive? I know I’m definitely in the minority here but I just wanted to see.

Hello, visitor, and welcome. Since you're here, could you explain something to me? Very few biological women would want to be in a space where they were making other women feel unsafe. Why do so many men who seem to believe that they are women apparently happy to do this because it is 'their right' even when it isn't. Or do I mean especially when it isn't?

Good for you.

Why does it have to be about statistics? Are you saying trans people are safer from harm than non-trans people?

Asks why does it have to be about statistics then asks a statistical question 🤣

How can anyone determine if a person has a soul or not?

I don’t believe in the concept of “soul”. That’s a protected right in law, isn’t it?

so why do I have to be determined as to whether or not I have a soul?

So your family and friends would support the school management policy which would require teen girls to shower and change after sport lessons with teen boys who claim they are girls?

Are they all that inclusive or do you think that some of them could object to that?

How about the LA sports venue would you and they be fine with mixed sex shower areas?

I'm not following what is wrong with that post.

It seems representative of the robust debate that is normal across this site.

I feel no need to be inclusive of people with made-up identities, so I don't accept your framing, OP.

So, can you give me the statistics on the lived experience of, for example, young trans people & the prejudice they face? Because I work with these people & I can assure you they do.

You support sexism.

I’ve explained further.

but you said you could verify whether someone had a soul.

how?

wait what?!?!

We have discovered evidence of souls? Just human souls or do other animals have souls too?

I missed this massive breakthrough - please do share the evidence.

The meaning of robust has changed in recent years?

Hard to answer this question as my experience is that this is a non-thing in real life, at least in the UK. I live in London.

I have encountered in my wider social circle one individual only who has described themselves as trans and uses a male name now (transman.)

I think there has been one person in my gym who was a transwoman but I haven't seen them in months. This person appears to be going through/have gone through a medical transition.

Lots of people (although many fewer lately) started using pronouns in signatures at work a couple of years back but none have never not aligned with their outward facing gender.

No children who fit this description in my older DC school, the younger has a couple. Younger DC's school is also huge. We've attended vast sporting events as well with the younger DD and no sign of natal boys in girls events.

I grew up in the US and my main exposure to 'real life people' in these situations or with children in these situations is in FB groups. I do have a US friend with a nephew who is transition (one other RL person.) It feels more common there?

So - I've kind of ignored this or only lightly followed.

Am I the only person who feels like despite all the noise, trans has passed them by?

Which part of the post is wrong?

Yes, I am. There's definitely an overrepresentation of anti-trans people on MN. The vast majority of people I know are trans-inclusive.

Did you ever think you would be advocating for rape survivors and trauma victims and survivors to have to have fully intact males in our change rooms? That is not a human way to talk. Unless of course you're an MRA.

It is beyond exhausting dealing with people who focus in on one thing, that was not actually stated, & continue with it because they think they have a 'gotcha' that undermines the entire lived experience of a minority group.

So can we get back to souls and an explanation of the binary people?

There is zero evidence trans people are murdered for being trans (unlike females are being murdered for being females). Most trans deaths are sadly due to sex work or burglaries.

@Pifflepafflewifflewaffle
”most trans adults have known their identity since being infants, and adult transition makes it so much harder to live as their true identity and brings psychological torment that is almost impossible to recover from.”

You are talking about a tiny, tiny portion of the population which are more accurately described as transsexuals. The significant proportion of trans adults today have not struggled with their identity since being infants. Up until the Cass review children who didn’t even have gender dysphoria were being given puberty blockers! It’s partly why Tavistock was shut down. All you had to do was claim you were trans. I watched a documentary recently where part of one teenage girl’s trans diagnosis was based on her answering “no” to the question “do you like the colour pink?” Thank fuck surgery is no longer available to under 18s. Don’t get me wrong if I had a child who had consistently protested to be the opposite sex since infant hood (so, crucially before society had a chance to brainwash them) and was tormented by being their birth sex, I may well consider them trans and seek treatment for them. Many, many teenage girls today though are identifying as trans because of social contagion and fucked up messages from pro-trans social media telling them they can’t possibly be a girl if they fancy other girls, or they like gaming or playing football 🙄

The whole 'men should be allowed to access women's single sex services and spaces until the number of assaults against women hits some undefined number and then we'll review it' is reminding me of this.

And if your main concern is including men in your 'feminism', you're not a feminist.

In other words you can't back up your arguments. If you could, you would. We've seen this thousands of times before over the years.

Yes, it’s a pain for the trans community when pesky things called “facts” outdo their false claims of their “experiences”.

What are you angry at?

I work with, among others, young trans people. Guess they are lying.