Is anyone on here trans-inclusive?

[plinkyplonk123]

Hi everyone, this is just a quick post to ask if anybody else on here is trans inclusive? I know I’m definitely in the minority here but I just wanted to see.

This is simply not true, factually. A transwoman is a transwoman. A transman is a transman.

I am happy to acknowledge that a transwoman is not a man, if they are genuine and consistent in living as a transwoman, and not just woman-facing to gain access to previously denied places. But that is not the same biologically or socially as being a biological woman or man. There are many and crucial differences. It serves both biological women and transwomen to be open about this, on medical and moral grounds.

The demographic most at risk of murder is actually babies under a year old.

It is extremely rare, so RARE there have been no trans murders in the UK in the last two years - for trans people to be murdered. But the FEMALE SEX is murdered at the rate of sixty-thousand PER YEAR, for being female.

Acceptance of what though?

There are men that want us to 'accept' they are really women. Is it okay to refuse to do that?

Yes, but we’re in the minority and the vituperative majority bitter and abusive posters here is pretty aggressive forceful, assertive, or ready to attack, often involving intense energy or determination, which can be seen negatively (angry, confrontational) or positively (ambitious, energetic in business/sports). That kind of sets your tone about "nasty women" who are willing to engage on the topic?so many people misinformed here, like saying ‘I don’t believe you can change your sex’ when to my knowledge (and I work in this field) that’s not what any trans person believes either.^i just hope that the people who pour so much energy into the anti-trans rhetoric plough the same into violence against women and girls- as ever, it’s men that are the issue, not trans people.

So has your meanings of the words women and girls and men changed to include members of the other sex?

Or would your "it's men" include the trans IDing males?

Or have you shuffled these men off to a "not like other men class"?

This is fucking grim. I knew when pro-trans people used to say 5 years ago: “trans women in women’s toilets don’t present a risk to women” that it would just be a matter of time until disgusting men like this started using the trans cloak of protection to abuse women. OF COURSE it was going to happen. Men will always find a way. These men aren’t trans. They are abusing a deeply flawed system that is in urgent need of change. @ThatBlackCat do you know the story behind these photos?

If a man wants to be a woman THAT much he’d get his bloody penis removed! There is no place for penises in women’s bathrooms ever.

I dont believe in souls, do I have to believe in souls now besides gender stuff to be a good person?

I don't care if a man wears a dress or makeup and wants to have a female name but I object to calling him a her or she. It doesn't change his sex. Does that make me transphobic? Or not trans inclusive? I don't really care to be honest.

If someone calls me she, her, refers to me in 'female' ways, I know it isn't who I am. I have to dysregulate or dissociate to approach my body. I don't want to be a man either, it's complex & I'm trying to unpack it all, for me. Most people are ok with it, some people, increasingly lately, tell me I'm female & should be proud to be a woman. It makes me feel like a bag of shit, quite frankly. And I have it easy compared to many.

You are not going to survive with that attitude I'm afraid.
If you don't completely and unconditionally support the right of enormous men to put on lippy and go to a women's rape survivor support group or run in female races then you are a bigot and must be cancelled.
HTH.

Many people believe in the concept of a soul.

I don't.

Expressing this opinion does not make me phobic of people who do have this belief.

I'm also able to say that I think many religious doctrines are sexist and I am not criticised for being phobic/intolerant/bigoted etc. etc.

For goodness sake people: please,please report transphobia!!!!
MN take it very seriously
Standing up for women is NOT transphobia
Nobody has said that* *all TW are pervs and sexual predators.

I didn't say trans people are at high risk of being murdered; trans people are murdered because they are trans. Why is it ok to say that women are at risk but not trans people? Why does it have to be about statistics? Are you saying trans people are safer from harm than non-trans people?

You'd have to define what you mean by that. If you mean 'do you think a man should be allowed to break the law' (and pause while you remember that small inconvenient fact that the Supreme Court have made it clear that places should be segregated by biological sex not self-chosen gender) then no, I am not gender inclusive.

I support anyone's right to claim they are something else, but I have rights too, and they include privacy to change my clothes and use toilets, and especially when I am in hospital. I also believe that words like 'critical' or 'terf' fall in the same category as 'stinky poo pants whose mum dresses them funny.' Inclusive is just a weasel word designed to make anyone who wants their rights feel as if they're mean and nasty.

I could ask you, 'are you inclusive of other peoples views' but I'm pretty sure that I already know the answer.

I don't exclude trans people, no.

But they are still the sex they were born with and if that sex is male I don't want to share changing rooms, open hospital wards, rape and SA services, prison cells, or sports competitions with them.

I have trans family. I call them by their chosen pronouns but they are a trans man. Separate from a regular man. Other men probably won't see them as a man. But I respect their need to present as trans and it's not hurting anyone.

And surely the safest population of all must be non-binary. It’s pretty much unheard of that a non-binary person is murdered. And we all non-binary in reality. We just need to declare it out loud and murder rates across society will plummet.

I wish people felt comfortable enough to be able to do so. I understand why many don't. Many people accept the expression of others whilst vehemently opposing single sex spaces, for example, and I understand that.

They are referring to your sex.

They might as well refer to your nationality or your age. It is a completely neutral observation.

However, if you insist that pronouns and words that describe your sex should refer to something more, can't you see that you are imposing this on everyone else? Who are the binary people?

May I ask what you're doing here then? Is something happening in the transgender world that's made you and your like-minded friends decide to visit? Could it be the female to male transgender person being raped on a mental health ward within an hour of being admitted?

@ForProudPinkPombear please explain what mysterious process happens to turn a man into a woman? How does taking hormones and having surgery turn one of these:
XY
Into one if these:
XX.
Because it doesn't.
And, I'm going ask again, what does living as a woman mean?

We're in church and it is time for the true believers to come forward for holy communion.

Make way for the highest priests, the untouchable, the infallible.

Did you ever think you would be talking to a stranger like this? This isn't a human way to talk.

Yes, in the UK.

Annual murder rate c600; trans population estimated at 0.5% IE 1 in 200; expected 3 deaths pa, actual nil.

Ah, you don't get the secrets for free..

For various reasons, the murders of women and trans people in the UK are tracked.

In many years there are no murders of trans people. Because it happens so rarely it is difficult to say that they are murdered because they are trans.

Why does it have to be about statistics?

Good question. You need accurate statistics to analyse data and create policy. It's why women have been so concerned about the loss of data around sex.