Is anyone on here trans-inclusive?

[plinkyplonk123]

Hi everyone, this is just a quick post to ask if anybody else on here is trans inclusive? I know I’m definitely in the minority here but I just wanted to see.

Here is one on which you can judge for yourself

Female included on what should have been a male only single sex locked hospital ward.

Female was sexually assaulted on the ward by 2 males.

Q1) was SA avoidable if the female had been placed on a female only ward?

Q2) has any crime occured?

Q3) if a crime happened how many crimes happened?

Q4) if a crime occured due to trans inclusion policy will you count it as evidence of an increase in crime because of trans inclusion?

I'm sorry, I don't understand this reply?

Seethlaw is trans

If you are saying that people who are being murdered & oppressed & made to feel that their already difficult existence is an affront to the world refers to trans people, then Seethlaw is saying trans people are not those things

Yes, I support the trans community (if that's what you mean by trans-inclusive).

Mumsnet is notoriously transphobic, though, so this isn't a great platform to ask such a question.

We trans people are not "being murdered & oppressed & made to feel that [our] already difficult existence is an affront to the world". Really, we're not.

Edit: in the UK and several other countries, at least.

I'm sorry for your experience, I have had similar. People should be safe and we need to find ways to ensure that as much as possible. This does not mean identities should be erased, struggles unrecognised, or empathy discarded. And I see nothing in your reply that indicates you feel differently.

And here we go again. What is it about women standing g up for their legal rights to single sex spaces that you think makes us 'transphobic'?

Do you support women's legal rights to single sex spaces?

Thankfully, transpeople are not 'being murdered' at rates higher than the general population in the Western world.

Well, she chose to ask it on here for reasons of her own. And that's fine.

It's best not to police where other people want to ask their questions.

Yes. A trans woman is a woman and a trans man is a man. This is no way affects my rights as a woman

if by transphobia you mean mumsnetters believe in the importance of biological sex and don’t believe human beings can change sex, then I guess you’re right.

I wouldn’t call that transphobia though.

Reality, common sense and basic biology is often remarked upon as being transphobic. Usually by frothing activists who think it’s cool to block the puberty of minors. If you want to stick your fingers in your ears and tralala all the way to fantasyland, Reddit is that way……………

you can say it as much as you like but it still won’t be true.

I don’t demonise men as a whole group. I have four of them at home, after all. However I don’t want men in women’s single sex spaces or communities, whether pretending to be women or otherwise.

Does that mean I am men-inclusive?

Will I get a special penis badge to reward me?

Or does the fact that I say ‘no’ to certain men about certain things mean that I am a harridan deserving of condemnation? Not sufficiently showing the useful female virtues of self-abnegation, humility and self-sacrifice?

Interesting conceptual elision I note underpinning the OP: the assumption that the only way to not ‘demonise’ a group as whole is to do whatever any individual member of the group demands. ‘Women, saying no to any man about anything he wants or does is demonising men as a whole!’

’Inclusive’ of course is man-speak for ‘obedient’.

I didn't say that that was the solution. I can't pretend to have answers for the legal & resultant outcomes of human behaviours. Indeed this is what we should be focussing on, separating such issues from recognition of people's fundamental right to self-expression & acknowledgement that trans people exist.

If it's transphobic for women to stand up for their rights doesn't that mean that transrights are in conflict with women's rights?

Yup, this place is transphobic, in that it doesn't agree with all the demands of the trans community. Thing is, though: there's nothing wrong with that, because some of those demands are unreasonable. So being transphobic in the way this place is, is the reasonable stance to take.

Yes.

Me

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The level of hate on here is more alarming to me than the v remote prospect of seeing a man-looking man in the ladies, plus I seriously worry about the effect this narrative is having on non-gender conforming women.

For context, In 60-odd years I've never seen a man-looking man in the ladies.

Yes, of course. We are not all right wing on Mumsnet.

Nobody is stopping them self expressing, we just don't want men, including transwomen, to do their self expressing in female only spaces.

Then why do you call them trans in the first place ? What distinguishes them from non-trans people ?

The responses in this thread have already made the point quite clear!

I’m sure you’re eager to find someone to spar with on this, but I’m not foolish enough to indulge you. Good luck.

can you provide specific examples of the hate, ideally copy and paste examples of it? I’ll wait…

Third spaces are transphobic. Trans people won't use them.