Is anyone on here trans-inclusive?

[plinkyplonk123]

Hi everyone, this is just a quick post to ask if anybody else on here is trans inclusive? I know I’m definitely in the minority here but I just wanted to see.

I was giving my opinion.

How are they exactly? Can you explain it to me please?

Then why do you call them transwomen in the first place ?

MRA gona MRA

So was I

But you don't actually believe that these people have changed sex, do you?

You are happy to pretend to.

And that's fine at a personal level.

But you will find that lots of women, for their own safety and dignity, are not prepared to do this and nor should they be coerced to.

Scientific reality always trumps people's desire to affirm falsehood, no matter how well meaning that desire might be.

Isn't that the default for most people? One of my remote team leads is and so long as they keep their personal lives to themselves (which they do) and do the job (which they do) I've no problem.

The brickie with the bad makeup who pontificates at every opportunity I'm less sanguine about. And it's these people who seem to cause the most dissent.

To be fair, though, it is not all about your child. Civil society is run on the basis of the common good and on agreed rules and definitions which protect everyone's rights. "Being kind " is meaningless and something of an empty trope outside of one to one encounters and relationships.

No, they are not. Transwomen are males with penis and testicles. These (sensitivity mode activated) are not any kind of woman. And have no right being in female only single sex spaces where women and girls are in a stage of undress, and where rape survivors like me, and DV survivors and women with trauma are, @justpassmethemouse .

Behind that trans label is a person.

Yes.

Nice kids.
Traumatised women and girls.
Autistic girls.

But also:

Nice men.
Horrible men.
Predatory men.
Violent men.
Sexual abusers.

Being “inclusive” of the latter list in women’s spaces is the issue, not the “trans label”.

I needed to use trans as an adjective here so that it would be understood properly. “Women are women” could easily be misconstrued.

"Thats not what any trans person believes either" is untrue. Many people do believe a person can change sex.
Eg:Beth Upton, a trans woman ,said under oath in a court that he is a "biological female" ,Beth is male.
Being "against" poorly evidenced treatment for gender dysphoria in children is based on issues of informed consent ,efficacy and safety .
Dr Marci Bower,a trans woman surgeon (who operated on Jazz Jennings) said Puberty blockers at tanner stage 2 always resulted in anorgasmia and infertility,a child cannot consent to those side effects. Dr Bowers also expressed concern re issues of puberty blockers causing surgical difficulties with lack of tissue for gender reassignment surgery ,resulting in major complex surgical procedures to harvest colon tissue to facilitate vaginoplasty with high complication rates and less than optimal results.
It's males that pose risk to women and girls in certain circumstances of vulnerability, Trans people who are male pose the same risk as any other male ( ONS violent /sexual offences) Trans womens offending patterns remain male because they remain male.
Please stop gaslighting women and girls that some males pose less risk than others.

That's just a meaningless slogan. It conveys no truth, and is more of an incitement to social and tribal conformity above all else.

Every action has a reaction.

When Trans people demand respect for their beliefs they’re just going to have to accept that others will also demand respect for theirs.

Men on the whole are lovely and kind but not all men. That’s a fact.
Men that believe they’re women have delusional beliefs. That’s a fact.

No scientific proof now or in the past since humans existed, has science proven humans can change their biological sex.

If, as a pp claimed, that trans people know they’ve not changed their biological sex, why should they expect others to believe they have and demand that we believe them?

It doesn’t make sense and if it doesn’t make sense, it’s not true.

Men and trans’women’ are and always will be male.

But how are they trans? What distinguishes them from non-trans women ?

If women are women what is the trans descriptor for?

Some transwomen will have male reproductive parts and some won’t. Though why you’ve decided to send me images marked sensitive I don’t know, as obviously I won’t be opening them.

Why do you think that is?

Most trans identifying males retain their male reproductive parts.

The number of people saying "what does trans inclusive mean?"... They know what you mean. It's beyond depressing that so many people feel such righteous indignation & pretend it is in defence of others when their prejudice & inhumanity is so clear. The people who are being murdered & oppressed & made to feel that their already difficult existence is an affront to the world should be the angry ones, but heaven forfend that anyone expresses their anger. Of course the issues around law are complex, humans are complex & problematic, but let us unite in finding humane solutions that are as inclusive as possible, progress society, find new ways to approach & discuss. And primarily, let that not be the focus! Acceptance & understanding must come first, because we know that isn't where a good deal of people are coming from, or are encouraging others to come from x

I’m angry because a man tried to murder me. He raped me, sexually assaulted me, strangled me and tried to murder me.

Damn right I’m angry.

I don’t want to have to recount my experience and describe my trauma feelings and how it’s left me in front of a man. Any man.

why do my wishes and feelings not count for as much as the trans identifying men?

Ps. I’m not pretending. How dare you. @ForProudPinkPombear

The people who are being murdered & oppressed & made to feel that their already difficult existence is an affront to the world

If that's supposed to be trans people, then, er, no, we're not any of that?

If trans inclusive means women losing their rights to single sex spaces, how is that progressive and humane?

Unless you think that men matter more than women?

The number of people saying "what does trans inclusive mean?"... They know what you mean.

No, we don't. That's why we've asked for clarity, which hasn't been given.

"Inclusive" in all aspects of life? Including women's spaces, services and sports?
Or not?

The OP started the thread - surely she can clarify what she means?