Well this was totally predictable

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Woman identifying as a man is 'raped in all-male psychiatric ward' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15461027/Transgender-man-raped-male-psychiatric-hospital-ward-court-hears.html?ito=native_share_article-bottom

Shame on these men and shame on the NHS for placing this poor women directly in the hands of predators.

The vast majority of posters on this thread are not referring to gender when they use words like 'she' and 'woman'.

What are your qualifications for this? Are you in the US?

It doesn’t just obfuscate. It is the determination to deny reality and call her ‘he’ that directly put her there.

But surely she should have told them she was a biological female? Perhaps she wanted to go to a men's jail

the fact that it happens is one thing - i agree that the authorities don't appear to be overly worried about it but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be pressuring them to do more to stop all rape in prisons.

One aspect of that is to stop literally enabling it by putting women - no matter how they identify, and especially when they are already undergoing a mental health crisis - into men's prisons and vice versa.

Or are you just "meh, shrug, it happens, get over it" (or that they should "reframe their trauma"? or that they deserve it?)

It was 1 of the now deleted poster who used prisons for some whataboutery and to pretend that women are just as sexually violent as men and othe MRA bs

Shame on every single person who has facilitated the abuse of women via self-ID. It is not and never will be a credible position for any feminist to take.

It was a male secure psychiatric ward in a NHS hospital not a jail

100%. Which is why we must be 100% clear - all toilets and changing rooms and prisons and wards must be single sex. Naive and gaslit women need protecting from themselves. We do not give people the option to buy shots of cyanide at the pub, and rely on people having the sense not to order it. Why should we give women the somewhat analalogous option to enter a mixed sex space that is more risky that it needs to be because men might be in there?

She was raped within an hour of arriving on the ward. This suggests that it was pretty obvious to her attackers that she was female.

I'm just stunned that trained NHS staff didn't recognise how vulnerable she was. It really demonstrates that gender ideology can make people do absurd things, and think they are being 'kind' while they're at it.

I love Terfwoman. Feels very viking.

The person who said that transpeople are very vulnerable in Prison is probably saying not that "women do it too", but that transmen and women are specific targets wherever they are incarcerated.

Why on earth do you think she wants to go to prison? She was in HOSPITAL

this is a drum that i will never stop banging.

OK if you want to add a field for gender identity, if you really think that is useful or helpful, go ahead.

But always always record sex correctly.

And this works in the TRAs favour, surely? if you can't identify, say, a transwoman, you can't identify where resources might want to be targeted to help them (as in services required/needed/desired for transgender patients at the NHS). You can identify, with actual, real numbers, how many and which categories of crimes are committed against (and by) them. etc etc.

But no. confusion has to rule the day. And this is the end result.
As pp said: Slow. Fucking. Handclap. To. The. TRAs.

No, they were very definitely saying ‘woman do it too’

She would have been safer if she was being sent to prison as she would have been sent to a women's prison.

If I was a member of staff on a psychiatric ward and I didn’t know a woman had been admitted to a male ward, I’d be considering what action I could take against the hospital.

They at least need to review and refine their admissions and recording processes.

Do you really think that someone whose psychological state warrants retention in a psychiatric ward would necessarily have the capacity to make that decision for themselves? And even if she did, the hospital was responsible for ensuring that this highly vulnerable woman was placed in the safest place. I’m quite sure she didn’t need to tell them she was a biological female. I imagine it was obvious. It certainly was to the rapists.

The people ‘being kind’ were those who wrote the policy that people should go where they identify and decided to record gender not sex. Given both those things objectively exist why do you think it equally possible that a ‘Terf’ was being vindictive in following policy rather than risking discipline by both her employer and her regulator?

Ooh, I don’t think we need to take lessons from the US in this area 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

it wasn't a jail, it was a psych unit.

So a mentally unwell transman was asked where they want to go and put in with the men. As a rather small (even for a woman) female.

Make it make sense?

I very much doubt that a woman would intentionally set another woman to be raped just to prove a point against gender ideology

No, that person said women rape other women in prison all the time with objects and fists.

That person seems to want to deny any difference between male and female propensity to commit sexual assault.

Presumably for ideological reasons. It’s certainly not a fact based position.

Misgendering shows the total lack of respect for the victim. No. So-called "misgendering" is what caused this mess in the first place. You cannot describe the facts of this case correctly without stating that the victim is female. Anything else shows a total lack of respect for her in this situation.

Not correctly sexing someone aka as affirmation only is promoted as a positive or a neutral action.

Then we have cases like this which starkly show up it's not a neutral act and puts vulnerable people (including transpeople themselves) at significant unnecessary risk.

It's not ok.

This bullshit about 'misgendering' being harmful needs to stop. It's necessary.