Well this was totally predictable

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Woman identifying as a man is 'raped in all-male psychiatric ward' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15461027/Transgender-man-raped-male-psychiatric-hospital-ward-court-hears.html?ito=native_share_article-bottom

Shame on these men and shame on the NHS for placing this poor women directly in the hands of predators.

Again you've got that backwards.
The mental health crisis that young people who identify as trans is not caused by people refusing to deny biological reality. Instead they trans identity is caused by the underlying mental health issues that they already have and are exasperated by those who affirm them.
The only people victim blaming are the TRAs and MRAs who invaded this thread much like you to blame us and the victim whilst claiming that women rape too so the victim would have been raped in a woman's ward anyway.
Most of us have pushed back against the bs line and have been horrified by this case.
We are not terfmen or terfwomen.
We are not responsible for men nor their behaviour.
If I ever heard a man threatening to rape anyone I would report them to the police as even tthreatening to rape someone is a crime
Perhaps you would be better off spending your time scolding and reporting men who make rape threats instead of they're victims

Can we just point out the people mainly women who HAVE raised concerns have been suspended, dismissed, harassed etc etc etc and had to take their concerns to tribunals and courts to get some semblance of justice.

This isn't 'people looking the other way assuming the higher ups have it'.

@TransParentlyAnnoyed

As a trans person, can I please ask you to kindly shut up? You're making trans people and their advocates look like absolute morons who can't even read properly.

More precisely: as a transman, I know exactly where I would want to be put, should I ever have to go into a psychiatric ward. Hint: it would not be the male ward! I would be very happy indeed to shave (so as not to worry the other female inmates) and be housed with the women, where I would be safe.

This is what should have happened to this transman. Do you disagree with that?

Speaking generally, there are always posters who come into threads about rape to totally derail them.

Speaking more specifically, there are always TRA posters who come on threads here about how gender ideology has led to the harm of women from rape/sexual assault and try and make the thread about something else with whataboutery to distract from the original story.

It’s truly one of the most harmful ideologies around advocated for by some of the worst people going. This poor woman is a victim of it.

Victim-blaming and point-scoring is pretty much what I'd expect, I suppose. Misgendering on this thread shows the total lack of respect for the poor victim.

Except that it was the NHS's adherence to not misgendering that directly led to this horrific outcome.

The Supreme Court clarified last April that single sex meant sex at birth and not gender.

Had the NHS followed the actual law rather than trying to #bekind, she wouldn't have been raped on male psychiatric ward.

Regardless of what the law says, my point is that the reality is there exists a specific type of assault that is only possible to be done with a penis, and that brings specifically male psychological and cultural elements into the act that are relevant and should be recognised, and that to not recognise this gives an incomplete understanding of why men rape.

I think Scotland and the US are wrong not to recognise this in law.

Yes, that is what I mean by the exact opposite in the NHS - people being disciplined (officially or unofficially) for raising safety risks. They are told to look away when faced with clear risks.

Would it even be possible to raise someone with a surgically created 'penis'?

They seem to need a pump to inflate them. I'm really not sure how anyone thinks that would work.

Perhaps best not to think about it too much.

This.

@TransParentlyAnnoyed no one is a Terfman or a Terfwoman thanks. You say misgendering is awful, so is this.
I am a person who supports any other persons right to live as they see fit, but society needs rules based on facts to work cohesively and successfully. Based on these facts is that the trans man in this awful situation is a woman and the men on the ward knew this.
If you think we're all horrible hateful 'terfs" you are allowing your prejudices to over take rational thinking. While we are concerned and care about other females safety, which is why we want single sex to mean just that.

Indeed. Another reason for the distinction

Just read this. Appalling. Reverse this madness, now!

Well the comment has been deleted (surprise surprise - it tends to be a pattern where they spout offensive nonsense and delete themselves so that we can't call them out so they claim we don't have proof) but hopefully enough of us managed to read it. The gist was: women pointing out that placing a vulnerable trans identifying female (a trans man who is biologically female) in a male psychiatric ward is apparently our fault for being horrible to trans people. Or something. Make it make sense...

I remember writing some years ago when we were discussing this that the one thing more frightening than allowing men into all-female spaces was putting females into all-male spaces. The thought of what happened to this poor woman, in a psychiatric ward filled with violent males, is almost too upsetting to contemplate.

And what's so shocking is that the staff who made the decision to put her in the ward must have known what would happen to her. They couldn't not know. And they did it anyway.

Very few fake peni are able to get the pump successfully due to the rates and types of complications in the earlier stages of surgery to create them.
It also takes quite some time to pump them up.
All.of the above makes it highly unlikely that a woman with a surgically created penis could rape someone and since this law was changed no woman has been charged for it (crime stats upto 2024 we await the 2025 stats)

I also want to say that this is a horrifying story, and I hope the vulnerable victim is being supported.

The decision makers at the NHS should definitely be accountable for this and not just the rapists. They enabled it.

Safeguarding has to become first. Safeguarding has to become ahead of ideology.

Horrific, poor poor woman.

On another note ref the reporting, it may have been mentioned, but did you notice that these are the terms used in the article regarding the TIF victim:
‘Woman identifying as man’
‘transgender man’
‘biological female’
’they’

Which is interesting in contrast to when there’s such awful news where there’s a man pretending to be a woman attacking women. We see in news articles the TIM is always referred to as
‘she’
‘a woman’.
‘Jane Doe’ (as in using the man’s preferred female name)

Just predictable misogynistic patriarchal hypocrisy as always.

I suspect it's just a knee jerk reaction to constantly try and minimise the damage this ideology does.

But in this case, given the ideology was directly responsible for the opportunity to rape, incoherent jibber jabber was the result.

Every time something outrageous like this arises, I think this must surely peak (pique if you're India Willoughby) the nation and finally stop the madness:

-Isla Bryson's cock bulge
-Nicola Sturgeon refusing to say what sex Isla is
-Girl Guiding letting boys in and not telling parents
-NHS denying a rape by a TIM on a women's ward
-individual with a male DSD winning Olympic women's boxing (boxing FFS!)
-bloke winning World's Strongest Woman
-Darlington nurses bloke

But no, the carnival of gender absurdities rolls cheerily onwards.

Spot on. Sadly eroding safeguarding the vulnerable is built into gender ideology. Whether it's gaslighting children that their bodies are flawed but a sex change could cure this or pretending that sex doesn't matter so men in women's hospital wards, changing rooms, toilets etc is desirable.

This mentally unwell young women has paid the price. And she's no doubt part of that cohort of young people who have been groomed by irresponsible adults in the NHS, education, politics etc that sex change is possible and desirable.

She's paid a terrible price for their beliefs.

The general public won't hear anything about this. The only thing there that genuinely cut through was Isla Bryson (which did have an impact, I believe).

Even the Darlington nurses have been so smeared and misrepresented by the media, they didn't have the impact they should have.

However I do think the public's perceptions are changing ... slowly.

That poor, poor, woman. I hope the NHS now gives her the help she will additionally need. And I hope she has a good lawyer who will sue them. If she was mentally unwell enough to warrant admission, it’s absolutely bonkers that they considered her to have the capacity to decide she should go to a men’s ward.

Also, TRA's means trans activists not trans people.

It would seem her lawyers are referring to her as "he" in court. I can't imagine that helps

https://x.com/journalismseen/status/2011352564994826433?s=46