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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans woman gym goer caught masturbating in women’s changing room

372 replies

LesbianNana · 10/01/2026 12:39

I’ve included the NY Post article, the original TikTok video and an American police officer YouTuber video (Officer Tatum). This was in California (naturally) at a Planet Fitness gym.

In the beginning of the YouTube video you can see him clearly masturbating (along with his huge gross feet all splayed out), and if you want to avoid YouTube commentary jump to 4:30 for the confrontation.

I’ll transcribe some of the confrontation. It’s a few gym employees, the woman and her boyfriend.

BF: Bro do you go to the Taco Bell restroom and jack off? (Probably.) What the fuck is wrong with you bro? (AGP.)

Woman: Minors walking through here…(Probably the point.)

Trans: You guys, I was IN the stall. (Tip of the hat for not jacking off while at the bench press.)

BF: It does NOT FUCKING MATTER bro.

Trans: I’m not harassing anyone in the stall…I’m allowed to be in here.

Woman: You’re IN THE WOMAN’S BATHROOM.

BF: It doesn’t matter, you’re not allowed to jerk off in here! That is so fucking weird! We have video fucking proof!

Trans: Um are you allowed to video in here? (Attention women: Never video the actions of a man committing a lewd act in public lest it make a man look bad.)

BF: It doesn’t matter, you’re in the women’s bathroom jerking your fucking penis bro!

Trans: I’m transgender! (Here we go! The magic word. All take the knee and beg for forgiveness for your blasphemous ways at the shrine of Transgender!) I was drying off…(HAHAHA.)

Woman: That was you in the shower, too. (Feck’s sake.)

Trans: Right…

At this rate, we’re probably a mere 5 years away from the normalization of public masturbation.

Masturbation Story Hour coming to a library near you! Bring the whole family!

https://nypost.com/2026/01/05/us-news/trans-gymgoer-caught-masturbating-in-womens-bathroom-at-california-planet-fitness/

https://www.tiktok.com/@borderlinebimbo_/video/7591708460211866910

Trans gymgoer caught ‘masturbating’ in women’s bathroom at California Planet Fitness

Disturbing viral video shows the moment a transgender gymgoer appears to be masturbating in a stall inside the women’s bathroom at a Planet Fitness in California.

https://nypost.com/2026/01/05/us-news/trans-gymgoer-caught-masturbating-in-womens-bathroom-at-california-planet-fitness/

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PriOn1 · 11/01/2026 17:22

Seethlaw · 11/01/2026 17:16

I expect most trans people honestly believe that most other trans people are not a danger to women,

I wouldn't be so sure. I'll just say that the relationships between transmen and transwomen in the community can get really nasty. Don't mistake silence for support...

Why do FtM transitioners continue to support men going into women’s spaces then, in your opinion?

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/01/2026 17:46

NumbersGuy · 11/01/2026 07:45

After looking at the poster (Grace Hutson - borderlinebimbo_) who put the video on TikTok, illegally recorded a shadow inside a women's bathroom stall (California Penal Code § 647(j)(3)) and talked about how she "should have called the cop" but she likely knew it was illegal and would have resulted in her getting charged with up to 6 months in county jail and a $1,000 fine if found guilty. Just like Olivia Henderson, the Door Dash driver who went into an unconscious man's home who didn't realize he ordered food from Wendy's, and recorded him being nude on her TikTok account and now facing felony charges after her posting because he made the complaint. With Grace bringing in her boyfriend even coming in there to confront the person supposedly committing the lewd act, without actually seeing anything. Yes she's a wannabe influencer, and posted only one video since her recording, so she's definitely not riding the "wave" she expected likely, since she doesn't even have 2,000 followers. As far as "Officer Tatum" he is 1,000% MAGA, the ideal far right wing agent who promotes anything and everything that's going to push his fame and his wallet. He promotes Trump merchandise, Charlie Kirk merchandise, and even promoted the narrative that Jonathan Ross was justified in the narrative as to why he murdered Renee Good. Only being an officer for 6 years and quitting in 2017, he's out to push his conspiracies, no matter how hateful it is to democracy. This is why TERF Island exists - is to just keep their ideals alive by not researching anything. Blind trust with people out to line their pockets.

These are not comparable examples of who was in the wrong.

Door Dash woman was the one who committed the crime by opening the front door of a customer, who asked her to leave the food on his doorstep, and filming him while he was asleep and naked in his own living room.

The man in the Planet Fitness women’s bathroom was the one committing the crime because he masturbating in a public space used by women and girls. And he was filmed by a woman as evidence of his committing a crime, additionally she also contacted the staff of the gym while the man was still in the female changing room in order to ask them to contact police to deal with the man.

Seethlaw · 11/01/2026 17:52

PriOn1 · 11/01/2026 17:22

Why do FtM transitioners continue to support men going into women’s spaces then, in your opinion?

Why do women shut up when confronted by aggressive males?

I know of at least two cases of transmen making their own associations to get away from such aggression, only to have those associations invaded by transwomen and everything going to hell all over again.

The only time I've seen such boundaries being held up was on an online forum, strictly for transmen. And even then transwomen still regularly tried to get in ("Pleeeeeeaaaaaaase!"), and it took a very firm hand by the moderators to stop them from acting against the rules (such as, "No gender stereotyping!"), only to end up banning them eventually because they wouldn't comply.

Transmen, in my experience, appear to shut up for at least two reasons:

  1. they are vulnerable when confronting transwomen, so they self-protect;
  2. they are often more focused on blending into the general population than transwomen are, so they don't tend to shout as loudly or be as visible.

Plus, quite frankly, even when a transman speaks up, he's not listened to as much as a transwoman. Transmen's opinions don't matter much, if at all, so our silence sounds even deeper than it is.

ZoeCM · 11/01/2026 18:10

Over on reddit, they're clutching at straws as usual:

"He's not really trans, he's a cis man who only said that so the cis woman's boyfriend wouldn't beat him" (and they still never clarify what the mystical criteria for being "truly trans" actually is)

"You can't judge a community on one individual" (i.e. the thing that never happens has happened again)

"The cis woman shouldn't have filmed it" (if she hadn't filmed it, how many people would have called her a lying, transphobic Karen?)

"The video is just rage bait" (well, yes, this is the sort of thing that should enrage people)

"The video is being used to demonise trans women as perverts" (yeah, the fact that he was caught on video is the real problem here!)

"The fact that she's trans is irrelevant" (well, "cis" women don't have penises, do they?)

"Life isn't black and white" (yeah, a man jerking off in the women's locker room is definitely a moral grey area)

"This is Planet Fitness's fault for being transphobic" (I don't have a clue what the hell this poster's logic)

"The cis woman should have kept this private instead of running to social media, she just wanted her fifteen minutes of fame" (I'm not even going to dignify this with a response)

"I heard this video is a false flag, and the cis woman got her boyfriend to pose as a trans woman" (yeah, it sounds completely plausible that a man would agree to do all this on camera to enable his girlfriend's elaborate anti-trans plot)

"Maybe the trans woman was just brushing her teeth in the cubicle" (I'm not joking, someone actually said that)

In fairness, there are also a lot of posters saying the whole thing is fucking insane. One person actually posted "Now I understand JK Rowling" and got upvoted, which is nothing short of a miracle on reddit.

AnSolas · 11/01/2026 18:19

Kimura · 11/01/2026 15:50

When the aim of their activism is to force women into mixed sex spaces how exactly is this not disregarding womens rights to their single sex spaces?

I perhaps didn't explain myself very well. While the outcome may be the same (mixed sex space) I think that their perspective of it is that they're fighting for their own rights to be recognized, not to take a right away from women.

How is it not disregarding womens safety?

I expect most trans people honestly believe that most other trans people are not a danger to women, rather than not considering women's safety as important.

I want to be clear that I don't share those views.

I want to be clear that I don't share those views.

As I said its about the logic

How did they see women.

And by they I dont (just) mean "transpeople" rather TRA and TRA supporters.

Do you see them as fully formed competent adults who can take multiple factors into account when forming opinions and making choices?

I perhaps didn't explain myself very well. While the outcome may be the same (mixed sex space) I think that their perspective of it is that they're fighting for their own rights to be recognized, not to take a right away from women.

What is the rights the male people are aiming to obtain?

Is it to be included in the group called women or or to be added to a different group or to create their own new group?

Is the aim to be given access to womens spaces or for new extra spaces to be provided?

Take the solgan "stunning and brave"

What is stunning ie shocking about a male deciding he is removing himself from the men group and moving into the womens group.

Why is that choice classed as brave?

Other than using trans = gay what is the social dynamics of the slogan?

What extra rights do that sub-group of male people need?

I expect most trans people honestly believe that most other trans people are not a danger to women, rather than not considering women's safety as important.

Lets reword that statement?

I expect most trans people males¹ honestly believe that most other trans people only some males are not a danger to women, rather than not considering women's safety as important.

( ¹ it is males women teach young girls (and boys) that some males can be very dangerous and girls learn the same lessons as they grow)

So activism and honest belief...

Lets take the law in Scotland for the provision of specialist SA medics. TRA wanted to have the term sex removed and replaced with the word gender.

So if a woman requested woman or in TRA world a same gender medic, a male medic who called himself a woman could turn up in a in exam room and carry out a physical exam to provide evidence for a criminal trial. He would then go into court and explain how he put his body parts and objects on and in the woman.

What is that TRA objective saying about the character and ethics/morals any and all male (or female) individuals who would seek employment in that service and carry out such an action?

For the activists who wanted to replace the word sex with gender to create a world where that action was possible, are they individually a danger to women or are they focusing on the safety of women?

What did that activism say about their morals, their understnding of the social contract and the world they want to create?

FYI the male Canadian activist who claimed to be a woman and now a female still campaigning (25+ years) to defund any rape crisis service which provided female only services rolled out his avid support for the Wax-my-ladiee-balls case while having no shame in claiming that TIM are more likely than the general male population to be pervered and therefore more of a risk to women. And he is not the only TRA to hold that belief eg "Rapist Gender".

So the honest belief is based on what exactly?

What moves a sub-group of males into a more safe than other males group?

Am I to believe that the individuals making the assessment of likely outcomes are somehow less able than you or I to work out the issues which result in harm to women and womens rights?

1984Now · 11/01/2026 18:27

ZoeCM · 11/01/2026 18:10

Over on reddit, they're clutching at straws as usual:

"He's not really trans, he's a cis man who only said that so the cis woman's boyfriend wouldn't beat him" (and they still never clarify what the mystical criteria for being "truly trans" actually is)

"You can't judge a community on one individual" (i.e. the thing that never happens has happened again)

"The cis woman shouldn't have filmed it" (if she hadn't filmed it, how many people would have called her a lying, transphobic Karen?)

"The video is just rage bait" (well, yes, this is the sort of thing that should enrage people)

"The video is being used to demonise trans women as perverts" (yeah, the fact that he was caught on video is the real problem here!)

"The fact that she's trans is irrelevant" (well, "cis" women don't have penises, do they?)

"Life isn't black and white" (yeah, a man jerking off in the women's locker room is definitely a moral grey area)

"This is Planet Fitness's fault for being transphobic" (I don't have a clue what the hell this poster's logic)

"The cis woman should have kept this private instead of running to social media, she just wanted her fifteen minutes of fame" (I'm not even going to dignify this with a response)

"I heard this video is a false flag, and the cis woman got her boyfriend to pose as a trans woman" (yeah, it sounds completely plausible that a man would agree to do all this on camera to enable his girlfriend's elaborate anti-trans plot)

"Maybe the trans woman was just brushing her teeth in the cubicle" (I'm not joking, someone actually said that)

In fairness, there are also a lot of posters saying the whole thing is fucking insane. One person actually posted "Now I understand JK Rowling" and got upvoted, which is nothing short of a miracle on reddit.

That penultimate comment gets my mad as a box of frogs prize of the day.
WTF is he doing, using one of those disinfectant blocks to brush his teeth and water from the bowl to rinse? Lol.

PriOn1 · 11/01/2026 18:28

Seethlaw · 11/01/2026 17:52

Why do women shut up when confronted by aggressive males?

I know of at least two cases of transmen making their own associations to get away from such aggression, only to have those associations invaded by transwomen and everything going to hell all over again.

The only time I've seen such boundaries being held up was on an online forum, strictly for transmen. And even then transwomen still regularly tried to get in ("Pleeeeeeaaaaaaase!"), and it took a very firm hand by the moderators to stop them from acting against the rules (such as, "No gender stereotyping!"), only to end up banning them eventually because they wouldn't comply.

Transmen, in my experience, appear to shut up for at least two reasons:

  1. they are vulnerable when confronting transwomen, so they self-protect;
  2. they are often more focused on blending into the general population than transwomen are, so they don't tend to shout as loudly or be as visible.

Plus, quite frankly, even when a transman speaks up, he's not listened to as much as a transwoman. Transmen's opinions don't matter much, if at all, so our silence sounds even deeper than it is.

I asked why FtM transitioners supported these men and you told me they shut up.

So are you saying they don’t support these men?

Some of them absolutely do. I’ve seen them harassing women like me on Twitter.

Is it that some of them don’t see what these men are like and this support them and the rest do see, and they keep their mouths shut?

I guess, like other abused women, they are afraid to walk away. Is that it? I really despise these men.

1984Now · 11/01/2026 18:38

PriOn1 · 11/01/2026 18:28

I asked why FtM transitioners supported these men and you told me they shut up.

So are you saying they don’t support these men?

Some of them absolutely do. I’ve seen them harassing women like me on Twitter.

Is it that some of them don’t see what these men are like and this support them and the rest do see, and they keep their mouths shut?

I guess, like other abused women, they are afraid to walk away. Is that it? I really despise these men.

Edited

FtM are maybe the biggest losers in this sorry decade-long charade.
Crippling their bodies and minds, never considered as men by men, pitied by women who know they're still women.
Women can be invisible in society, but FtM women are even worse off.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 11/01/2026 18:45

PriOn1 · 11/01/2026 18:28

I asked why FtM transitioners supported these men and you told me they shut up.

So are you saying they don’t support these men?

Some of them absolutely do. I’ve seen them harassing women like me on Twitter.

Is it that some of them don’t see what these men are like and this support them and the rest do see, and they keep their mouths shut?

I guess, like other abused women, they are afraid to walk away. Is that it? I really despise these men.

Edited

Why did some women agitate against women's votes? Why do some women run brothels, or take their daughters to be mutilated (by other women)?

Plenty of women identify more closely with (or in the case of FTM define themselves against) their social group's construction of womanhood than women as a whole. Plenty of women take their values from their immediate social group.

Being a woman doesn't necessarily give you special insight into the subtle ways sexism changes how we see ourselves and each other even when we suffer by it.

1984Now · 11/01/2026 18:49

FlirtsWithRhinos · 11/01/2026 18:45

Why did some women agitate against women's votes? Why do some women run brothels, or take their daughters to be mutilated (by other women)?

Plenty of women identify more closely with (or in the case of FTM define themselves against) their social group's construction of womanhood than women as a whole. Plenty of women take their values from their immediate social group.

Being a woman doesn't necessarily give you special insight into the subtle ways sexism changes how we see ourselves and each other even when we suffer by it.

Transmaidens are a very special breed.
I spoke to one recently, asked her how she defined "women", her knowing I am GC.
She said in hundreds of ways, depending on individual circumstances, none of them I would agree with, we had no definition in common...and that was without her hearing my definitions.
That's not just a chasm between reality and unreality, it's a whole other order of physics, that hasn't been discovered yet.

FallenSloppyDead2 · 11/01/2026 18:55

1984Now · 11/01/2026 18:38

FtM are maybe the biggest losers in this sorry decade-long charade.
Crippling their bodies and minds, never considered as men by men, pitied by women who know they're still women.
Women can be invisible in society, but FtM women are even worse off.

I'm not sure that pity is the right word here and, I'll be honest, I feel uneasy at you, as a male, telling women how we feel about trans-identified women.

Seethlaw · 11/01/2026 18:59

PriOn1 · 11/01/2026 18:28

I asked why FtM transitioners supported these men and you told me they shut up.

So are you saying they don’t support these men?

Some of them absolutely do. I’ve seen them harassing women like me on Twitter.

Is it that some of them don’t see what these men are like and this support them and the rest do see, and they keep their mouths shut?

I guess, like other abused women, they are afraid to walk away. Is that it? I really despise these men.

Edited

I asked why FtM transitioners supported these men and you told me they shut up.

Oops, sorry, I did misunderstand your question.

Some of them absolutely do. I’ve seen them harassing women like me on Twitter.

Oh, I believe you! There are indeed quite a few transmen supporting the abuse of women.

Is it that some of them don’t see what these men are like and this support them and the rest do see, and they keep their mouths shut?

Well, there's the in-group effect, obviously. You don't want to think badly of the people in your group, because that would reflect badly on yourself, so you focus on the nice ones in the group, and you deny the existence of the bad ones.

It helps that when you are in the community, you necessarily get to know some genuinely nice transwomen, who don't want to upset anyone, so it's far too easy to fall for the trap of thinking, "Well, she deserves to be treated in a special way! If those women knew her, they'd understand!"

And then there's the price to pay to remain in the group. Transwomen are usually the ones with the power, and/or they are the more aggressive ones, so you gotta play nice with them if you want to be accepted and supported, which a lot of transmen, being on the younger side, are desperate to be. I was older, so I was able to disagree more freely, but even so, I ended up separating from the community because it was just too toxic. When that community is your main support group, that's a very difficult situation to be in.

But in turn, that means I'm not in the community anymore, so I can't speak up from the inside to help other trans people understand women's POV. If other trans people who have unorthodox views do like me, then the ones who are in the community don't get to hear many differing opinions from people they would be willing to trust or listen to. So basically the silence feeds itself.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 11/01/2026 19:02

1984Now · 11/01/2026 18:49

Transmaidens are a very special breed.
I spoke to one recently, asked her how she defined "women", her knowing I am GC.
She said in hundreds of ways, depending on individual circumstances, none of them I would agree with, we had no definition in common...and that was without her hearing my definitions.
That's not just a chasm between reality and unreality, it's a whole other order of physics, that hasn't been discovered yet.

Honestly, I find it easier to avoid all that and rather than try to persuade someone your position is "real" and hers is not, focus on the fact that female people clearly do exist and clearly do have risks, challenges and needs that are specific to our bodies and how society frames and reacts to those bodies.

So whether the right word for us is "woman" or not, and whatever it is that trans women experience, no matter how varied and personal it may be, the one thing we can say for certain is that this thing trans women understand as womanhood is not the same thing as having a female body.

So the real question is why is it so critical not just that TW are called "women", but also that there cannot be any word or any right that applies to "the sex formerly known as women and girls", nor that we even be allowed to define ourselves as having something significant in common that transwomen do not share, even though by definition, the thing we have in common is something separate to and unrelated to any definition of "womanhood" that trans women want to live by.

1984Now · 11/01/2026 19:03

FallenSloppyDead2 · 11/01/2026 18:55

I'm not sure that pity is the right word here and, I'll be honest, I feel uneasy at you, as a male, telling women how we feel about trans-identified women.

Pity is not unsympathetic. In fact it can be very sympathetic.
What do you feel? Good job, good choice, when you meet these women?

FallenSloppyDead2 · 11/01/2026 19:08

1984Now · 11/01/2026 19:03

Pity is not unsympathetic. In fact it can be very sympathetic.
What do you feel? Good job, good choice, when you meet these women?

Maybe rein in the sarcasm a bit.

MyAmpleSheep · 11/01/2026 19:09

Kimura · 11/01/2026 16:05

What conclusion do they come to?

That having men masturbate in spaces that are supposed to be women only is just something women should have to put up with? 🙄

Don't be silly - I'm talking about wanting the right to access women's spaces. I expect most of them conclude that as they personally have no bad intentions towards women, nor do the majority of their community, so the impact in that regard is minimal.

Of course that's not their call to make, but I think it's far more likely than them simply not considered or caring about the impact on women in the majority.

You're not really making the case for the TRAs here, if you don't mind me saying so.

I'm not trying to - I just don't like this default position so many seem to take where every aspect of trans life is a calculated attack on women. It's absurd.

I'm not trying to - I just don't like this default position so many seem to take where every aspect of trans life is a calculated attack on women. It's absurd.

Many aspects of trans life show at the very very least a callous and reckless disregard for women, and when this is pointed out and ignored, it might as well be a calculated attack.

A good example would be feigning ignorance of a proportion trans identifying men doing so for fetishistic reasons leading to the events prompting this thread being more or less an inevitability.

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 11/01/2026 19:20

NumbersGuy · 11/01/2026 07:45

After looking at the poster (Grace Hutson - borderlinebimbo_) who put the video on TikTok, illegally recorded a shadow inside a women's bathroom stall (California Penal Code § 647(j)(3)) and talked about how she "should have called the cop" but she likely knew it was illegal and would have resulted in her getting charged with up to 6 months in county jail and a $1,000 fine if found guilty. Just like Olivia Henderson, the Door Dash driver who went into an unconscious man's home who didn't realize he ordered food from Wendy's, and recorded him being nude on her TikTok account and now facing felony charges after her posting because he made the complaint. With Grace bringing in her boyfriend even coming in there to confront the person supposedly committing the lewd act, without actually seeing anything. Yes she's a wannabe influencer, and posted only one video since her recording, so she's definitely not riding the "wave" she expected likely, since she doesn't even have 2,000 followers. As far as "Officer Tatum" he is 1,000% MAGA, the ideal far right wing agent who promotes anything and everything that's going to push his fame and his wallet. He promotes Trump merchandise, Charlie Kirk merchandise, and even promoted the narrative that Jonathan Ross was justified in the narrative as to why he murdered Renee Good. Only being an officer for 6 years and quitting in 2017, he's out to push his conspiracies, no matter how hateful it is to democracy. This is why TERF Island exists - is to just keep their ideals alive by not researching anything. Blind trust with people out to line their pockets.

Grow up and do some reading.

That bs won't wash here.

Edit to add: women's spaces don't only exist for women you like, women who have never done anything wrong or who you deem to have otherwise somehow earnt them. What the woman reporting the literal wanker also posts on her tik tok is irrelevant. That that is your main problem with this scenario tells us all we need to know.
Its just another variation on 'what did you expect, going out dressed like that?

Helleofabore · 11/01/2026 19:27

I just don't like this default position so many seem to take where every aspect of trans life is a calculated attack on women. It's absurd.

Care to tell us when demanding the female language female people need to describe their unique needs be used for male people should not be seen as a ‘calculated attack on women’? or the demand that female language is not used for female people who reject that they are female people?

Or is it that you wish it to be dismissed as just collateral damage resulting from some people demanding female language changes to specifically suit their philosophical belief and that it is not ‘every’ trans person so therefore we shouldn’t describe the collective negative impact on women needs. Because it is not ‘all’ trans people doing it so we should just ignore the impact of the majority who have made these demands.

Seethlaw · 11/01/2026 19:36

1984Now · 11/01/2026 18:38

FtM are maybe the biggest losers in this sorry decade-long charade.
Crippling their bodies and minds, never considered as men by men, pitied by women who know they're still women.
Women can be invisible in society, but FtM women are even worse off.

I'm assuming you're talking about the very young, often autistic women, who are made to transition as teenagers? Because I certainly don't recognise myself in this portrait...

1984Now · 11/01/2026 19:39

Seethlaw · 11/01/2026 19:36

I'm assuming you're talking about the very young, often autistic women, who are made to transition as teenagers? Because I certainly don't recognise myself in this portrait...

Yes, that's right.

ShowmetheMapletree · 11/01/2026 19:47

Women need a private space to go that excludes men, it is that simple. If they want to include Trans, than rename mens toilets and changing rooms as unisex, and keep women's the way it is (no men allowed).

AnSolas · 11/01/2026 20:10

Kimura · 11/01/2026 16:05

What conclusion do they come to?

That having men masturbate in spaces that are supposed to be women only is just something women should have to put up with? 🙄

Don't be silly - I'm talking about wanting the right to access women's spaces. I expect most of them conclude that as they personally have no bad intentions towards women, nor do the majority of their community, so the impact in that regard is minimal.

Of course that's not their call to make, but I think it's far more likely than them simply not considered or caring about the impact on women in the majority.

You're not really making the case for the TRAs here, if you don't mind me saying so.

I'm not trying to - I just don't like this default position so many seem to take where every aspect of trans life is a calculated attack on women. It's absurd.

Don't be silly - I'm talking about wanting the right to access women's spaces. I expect most of them conclude that as they personally have no bad intentions towards women, nor do the majority of their community, so the impact in that regard is minimal.

That space with no woman in it ever is that a "womans space" or just a space?

Or is it the case that some women must also be in the space at some stage (and other men excluded) to make it a "womans space"?

NotBadConsidering · 11/01/2026 20:16

Kimura · 11/01/2026 12:19

Imagine thinking a male wanking in a female single sex changing area is normal and appropriate behaviour and that it should be accepted.

Nobody thinks this is 'normal and appropriate' though. Nobody is suggesting it should be accepted.

This sort of incident, and the hundreds and hundreds of incidents like it, tarnishes the entire trans community because the entire trans community just looks at incidents like this and shrugs “So?”

Do they? The entire trans community? Every single one of them?

Surely there's a difference between someone shrugging "So?", and someone asking not to be judged - as an individual or a community - on the actions of a minority of dangerous scumbags.

I don't think a man who has 'transitioned' should have access to a single-sex women's changing room, but I refuse to think less of the entire trans community based on incidents like this, or to make assumptions as to how they all feel about them.

Ok, point to a trans activist campaigning for men to access women’s spaces who has changed their message or moderated their view based on this, or any of the hundreds of other events.

NotBadConsidering · 11/01/2026 20:26

I mean, the leader of the Scottish Greens couldn’t physically bring himself to acknowledge Isla Bryson is a man. That’s what we get. Because they know that to admit he is a man, or that this man masturbating in a women’s spaces is a problem, is to admit the entire ideology is a problem.

So they don’t. They are complicit.

AsTreesWalking · 11/01/2026 20:31

FFS! It's safeguarding 101!
Safeguarding exists to protect the vulnerable from the people who can be statistically shown to be a potential risk.
Anyone who works with children must have a current, clear DBS document, because children are potentially at risk from adults. Thus does not mean that ALL adults are paedophiles or bullies, it is a recognition that children are particularly at risk from adult people that are paedophiles or bullies. Even lovely volunteers; even the kind man who has (safely) run the youth club for years. They must all have a DBS.
Women are statistically at risk from men. It does not mean we think ALL men are rapists, or violent, it is a recognition that women are at risk from rapists and violent men.
As it is not actually a job for a man to use womens' loos etc. * DBS checks are not relevant. Instead, we protect the more vulnrrable group (women) by excluding the statistically dangerous group (men) from their spaces. All of them. Even my lovely husband and sons, even your best friend. It's not bigotry, it's safeguarding based on statistical likelihood.

*Well, not yet, as far as i know.