SNP in secret attempt to challenge Supreme Court ruling on sex

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I couldn't despise those fecking weasels more if I tried:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/89b42f06-fc36-4f06-98b1-d7b93c175463?shareToken=e40f182647b48214917896a4ae34328b

It doesn't touch the sides as a phrase!

I see Ross Greer has today refused to call rapist Adam Graham a man, and has instead been idiotic enough to repeat that the SNP believes in self-ID even for rapists.

Everyone who challenges the ruling, or wants women to allow men in to their spaces needs to be outed. Roundly and soundly: the SNP want women to allow men in their spaces.

And then women need to strike, as they did in Iceland that time. But harder and for longer.

It's a line of thinking based on the idea that only men with trans identities have human rights.

And as PP have said that women DO NOT or SHOULD NOT have human rights.

Anyone who thinks male prisoners with trans ID should be housed with female prisoners doesn't think women deserve human rights, so they have a mindset very like the Taliban when it comes to women. This needs to be highlighted widely and frequently to the women of Scotland. You'd be mad to vote for any of them as a woman.

Plus, its virtually impossible to get rid of them. See Chapman voting herself 'innocent', and the intricacies of the 'list vote' that means people can get in based on an absurdly small number of votes.

This.

I'll hold up my hands here - before i realised how batshit they were, I used to put the Greens down as my second choice.

Sorry. Haven't done that for some time. There's an election coming up for my Fife council ward this month, and I have no idea who's going to get my vote.

I believe that the Family Party is standing, but I seem to recall that they might have some weird and wonderful ideas though they're certainly GC. The LibDems in Scotland are captured.

If I vote Tory, you'll see cloud of dust swirling above Kirkcaldy Crem and a rumbling in Kirk o' Beath Cemetery as my ancestors turn in their last resting place.

The SNP hanging around like a drunk at the bar is more understandable, Scots still think the nationalists have their best interests at heart,

One answer may be that they are powered by exactly the same logic that has people supporting other batshit parties on the basis they allegedly know what a woman is. Which is that their single issue trumps all other considerations.

My DM used to have a saying about immovable objects and irresistible forces Being brutally honest, I am mildly surprised it doesn't feature more these days. More lost wisdom I guess.

Why doesn't Alba do better?
Pro Indy anti genderwoo

Swinney and Starmer really hate the fact that 3 middle-aged women are in effect contradicting them and in a position to tell them what to do on a public stage.

That's basically the reason that the Scotish and UK Govts are refusing to implement the FWS judgement. These men are sexist and ego driven, every time you see them talking to women about this issue you can see how it irritates them to be corrected or held to account.

Misogynists, both of them, plain and simple.

Despite Swinney doing VERY well from the defenestration of the woman before him as a direct result of this.
Starmer? This is a man who is really uncomfortable in the company of women, one of the beta males who now inhabit the top of left politics, only content with women if they're transmaidens.

Alba's chance of success died with Alex Salmond.

Suggests that in the UK, two parties in same vicinity can't both prosper long term...SNP and Alba, Reform and Tories.
Labour and LDs kinda coexist, but less geographical overlap.
Q is, how does radicalised Polanski Greens sit alongside Lab and LDs?
Re Scottish Greens, my stomach turns when I see any of them.
Maggie Chapman is just a strange, ultimately sad individual.
Greer is almost the AI recreation of the beta male in modern politics.
Both would have no role in the modern world outside politics, maybe some activist public sector position.
But they're in politics, and for a while held the balance, were the toxic enablers to Sturgeon's brazen push to put men in women's jails.
Just as Badenoch spiked Theresa May and Penny Mordaunt attempts to lock the Tory govt into Self ID, and fate (ie GC women) will ensure Starmer cannot go in this direction himself, the movers and shakers on gender politics look more disgusting as each day goes past.

Honestly when we first got the SP, I though it was brilliant we had these three maverick MSPs that didn't answer to the big party machines (Dennis Canavan, Tommy Sheridan and Robin Harper for the Greens). At that point it was all about Scottish Labour, who had this massive party structure and a huge vote share, and I used to say 'isn't it great the Tories get some consolation seats from the list, because they get absolutely pummelled on the FPTP seats, the poor wee sowels'

I've been awa for 20 years now, and as well as being massively out of touch - it's all a bit remote and academic to me as I have almost no skin in the game - I don't like to breenge about My Opinions On Scottish Politics for that reason.

I thought much the same as you, @BezMills , but Sheridan turned out to be a creep.

SNP and Alba might not be a good example for this because Alba only came into being because of AS' fallout with NS and the SNP. I just don't think Alba has enough viable candidates to be of any importance. I can only tell you who stood here for Alba in the last election because he's the father of someone who was at school with dd. Tbf it's hard to remember any Holyrood politician beyond Swinney, Forbes (and she is leaving) and who ever is at the centre of the weekly scandal.
Magnus Linklater wrote a comment in the Times that really resonated with me, at this point I just want a government that sorts things out rather than having grandiose visions:

https://www.thetimes.com/article/ee30d6b2-5180-41ba-a1bc-989bcc2a5915?shareToken=d06b73a7f823b153a45e59df0166b3f0

It’s amazing that this - defending rapists and other serious criminals - is the hill they’re prepared to die on. WHY?? Why do they care so much about a rapist’s human rights? What about the rights of their victims?

i think when talking to politicians etc about things like this we need to use very clear language. So "so let me get this straight, you are in favour of men being in women's prisons" etc

As Ricky Gervais would say, not male or female, but that shiny new gender, rapists.
The SNP would say the prison isn't full of that fusty, dusty old gender, women, but the new one, victims of rape.
But even with the new genders, the SNP aren't arguing to seperate the genders as we do with the old fashioned ones, male and female.
No, in the brave new world of shiny new genders, the SNP aim to put the rapists gender amongst the rape victims gender.
The ultimate slap in the face
Of course, boys in school say something offensive to girls, or workmen wolf whistle passing women, now the SNP will evoke old school gender roles, bad males and put upon females.
But not in the new universe of gendered souls.

How little these idiots care for adult human females.

Now is the time for men and women to defend women's rights.

Just unbelievable.

As for the future, sadly I think the SNP will win again in the next elections. They have too much support and can do what they like with impunity. Most people don't realise the extent of their gender madness, or don't care, and that includes lots of women (the "I've never seen a transwoman in my toilets and wouldn't mind if I did" brigade).

Same for the Greens. People who aren't paying attention think that a vote for the Greens is supporting the environtment.

I contribute to one or two political forums in addition to MN. And what I've realized is that we're in the minority. People don't care, or if they do, not enough.
And even if they do object, they look at you as if you're the one with the issue for being so animated about it.
Maybe the majority really don't care that much.
Leading to comments like "why are you so concerned with what's in people's pants?"

@1984Now it's like people don't even realise why we have separate men's and women's toilets, sports, changing rooms, prisons, board quotas, refuges, and rape crisis centres.

Sorry no enough time to keep up with thread. Has this been posted?

Mr Swinney said the legal step was making sure “the rule of law is applied in all circumstances”.

It was put to Mr Swinney that school policies were changed to make it explicitly clear that children must have access to single-sex spaces based on biological step, with the First Minister asked why this could not be replicated for prisons.

He said: You’re inviting me to become involved in discussions of complex legal arguments which relate to convention rights.

“These are issues that are implicit in the consideration and application of the Supreme Court case.”

He added: “I believe fundamentally in the rule of law and I have to be sure the government is acting in a lawful fashion.”

Asked why he did not accept the ruling should have an effect in prisons, he said: “Well, because the Supreme Court ruling is, as you recognise it to be, a complex and comprehensive ruling which relates to the interaction of a whole host of different legal requirements, not least of which are convention rights.

“We as a government, all of our actions must be compatible with the European Convention of Human Rights and these are the issues that have been assessed in the court.”

He then said he would not be drawn further on the issue.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25750249.swinney-dismisses-confusion-women-scotland-case/

Swinney is both an idiot, and ideological. A terrible combination, an enemy to all women and children.

@selffellatingouroborosofhate The entryism issue pertains to the LDs too, the Coalition prompted quite the exodus & what flowed in was the predictable omnicause flotsam in search of a route to power, including a great many aproximately educated young people, their heads full of fashionable gender fluff. Corbyn inflicted a lot of the same on Labour, eg; Lily Madigan & Nadia Whittome.