SNP in secret attempt to challenge Supreme Court ruling on sex

[Igneococcus]

I couldn't despise those fecking weasels more if I tried:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/89b42f06-fc36-4f06-98b1-d7b93c175463?shareToken=e40f182647b48214917896a4ae34328b

Aren't FWS still waiting to meet with the first minister and for the money they're owed? These tras get monthly meetings and money from the Scottish taxpayer!

Have they not even been paid yet? Unbelievable! The utter contempt for the wishes of the people is really quite a thing.

@HildegardP hey up !!!!

the ECHR are very senior judges put forward by each signatory state, most cases never even get a hearing an McLeod et al as you say have no chance

i think clutching at straws is the best way to describe the SNP defence.

There is no European case law to support the idea that men can be in women’s spaces and plenty of law protecting women’s right to privacy and dignity.

The other point to make is that only individuals can apply to the ECHR about an infringement of their human rights.

nation states can take another national state to the ECHR but only under limited circumstances.

Scotland in law is not a nation state, or a country legally in international law, it is a province or principality of the UK.

It can not appeal to the ECHR and is totally and utterly bound by the SC FWS ruling.

What actual recourse is there to escape from these turbulent priests? I struggle to believe they are still on course to win in May.

@Hedgehogforshort Again, you confuse me with the SNP, I'm quite clear on the pointlessness of invoking the ECtHR, what I'm wondering is what confection of legalish bunkum has convinced Swinney & co to embark on this frolic.
(One can become an ECtHR judge from a purely academic background, “The judges shall be of high moral character and must either possess the qualifications required for appointment to high judicial office or be jurisconsults of recognised competence.” If memory serves, the latter academic route was the case for at least one judge in Goodwin.)

Baroness Hale of Richmond (former president of the UK Supreme Court) was from a mainly academic background though she also practised as a barrister to some extent.

@ArabellaSaurus Well here you go, Arabella.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2026_Scottish_Parliament_election

According to that, SNP support has dropped massively in the last few years, but apart from a blip in summer 2024 when they were seemingly neck and neck with Labour, they are still way ahead of the other parties. Their share has been fairly stable for about the last 3 years, with the biggest drop in winter 2022-3 (Bryson-gate, campervan). Labour will have been negatively affected by being in power at Westminster, of course.

Looks like, in order
SNP, about 34%
Reform, about 21%
Labour
Lib Dem/Green/Tories
Alba

It would be interesting to see some stats on people's reasons for choosing or abandoning a party.

I know a number of former SNP voters who will not vote for them again while pressing for a Scotland where women have less rights than they do now.

I've never known a nationalist/populist party hate their citizens as much as the SNP do. Then again, if Scots are stupid enough to vote for them, why shouldn't the SNP keep thumbing their noses at them.

I wonder if even the SNP MSPs are amazed at what they get away with. The latest farce concerning breach of parliamentary standards just shows what a joke Holyrood is.

Scots continue to vote for them in their millions, and they get disproportionate representation at Westminster. They're literally rewarded for failure.

Last general election they got 724,758 votes. They have been a minority government for a while in Scotland - handing lots of power to the Greens. But there do seem to be a lot of idiots who continually vote for them.

What's the total number of voters in Scotland?
I mean, the Tories have had their arses handed to them after a shocking 14 years (especially 2020-2024), Starmer will receive the same fate in 2029.
Arguably the SNP have performed worse than both of them, yet stick around like a bad stain you can't shift.
It's almost as if devolution was always a bad idea, create a permanent fiefdom at the British taxpayers dime.

Scots are British taxpayers.

And, your point is? I'm saying that the SNP get disproportionately more seats in Westminster than the rest of the UK, and effectively they also get disproportionately more funding than the rest of UK.
The SNP have worked this to their advantage, yet remain the biggest group of gripers and grifters in British political history.
And seemingly have a lock on power as Scots seem to think the party has their best interests at heart, and still mine the "we're the only ones on your side" schtick.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/scotland.html

Is also informative.

The problem is that the not-SNP vote is split. You have 30+ % of voters who will vote SNP come what may and the rest is split between four parties and the SGreens and some even more marginal ones. We will never get them out.

I wonder if that's how UK politics will work out in future.
Reform and SNP on 30% get permanent power.
Opposition of the other six parties atomised.

It's possible. Coalition negotiations are going to be entertaining (not in a good way).

Starmer didn’t win votes though - Labour got a very similar number of votes as they got at the previous election when the Tories got a large majority. The Tories also lost a good number of seats at Westminster this time round as the right of centre vote was split with Reform. Labour got a landslide with a huge majority despite 80% of voters not voting for them. The SNP also lost a large number of seats at the last general election.

The Scottish elections are sort of PR - which means a large number of MSPs are dependent on the party not constituency for their seats and, like Green MSPs, can win seats despite not being named on the ballot and nearly 94% of voters voting against their party. Then they get handed huge power as the kingpin in a coalition…

Yes, I know there is a big difference in the election system between the UK and Scotland but even in UK elections with FPTP votes will fracture even further in future.
I don't understand why Starmer feels so beholden to the Labour backbenchers, a lot of them won't be reelected in the next election anyway. I suppose he is trying to survive until then and it will loose Labour the next election.

I'm one of them, until they stop this madness I will never vote them in again. Betrayed is an understatement...

Hmm.You only need 30ish percent to win, and Reform have the advantage of appealing to disaffected voters apparently across the political spectrum.

I think low turn out may be an issue overall, though.

Yes, Reform could possibly do it. I have no idea how that would play out for Scotland. A&B is predicted to go to the SNP, it's not even tight.

I know, Igneo. We can look forward to years more photo opps for that useless shiny faced fucker who does absolutely the square root of fuck all for his lovely salary.