Mumsnet is now backing Reform UK - survey

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The ladies are for turning after all – as a new survey reveals that one in five of the politically engaged mothers on the social networking site are ready to pledge allegiance to Nigel Farage

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/mumsnet-labour-reform-school-gates-keir-starmer-b2894524.html

Also in full at https://archive.is/V5P6n

You certainly won't get an accurate record of what Trump said from Trump's press secretary.

Like I said re Trump, I'm ambivalent - I appreciate that he's very pro-US and seems to be putting them first, which is what our leaders should be doing for us. Yes, he says crass things and is confrontational. I don't know if he's losing it - I probably would be!

Farage - As I understand it, the NHS is unsustainable as it is. It's massively oversubscribed, underfunded and inefficient. Stopping a load of people coming to the country and immediately accessing it (and housing etc) will help. We need to train our own workers rather than importing cheap labour, in every industry. Labour claims that Farage said we'd have to pay for NHS access, but they are twisting what he said, as per this article. He's being honest, Labour are lying...

https://fullfact.org/health/reform-nigel-farage-pay-for-nhs-labour/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=dsa_health&utm_content=187122431666&utm_term=dsa-2448276850770&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=21293519664&gbraid=0AAAAADRxhmf7RxLFyj3Z9Fc0kQbsqfxyt&gclid=Cj0KCQiA4eHLBhCzARIsAJ2NZoLpVSkaCEO1e-ygt-YWlwS1mbkquHXZ_cU0yoJS4Iqk9PREUVtZ58saAjrNEALw_wcB

Re taxation, Farage is again being honest that huge tax cuts are not going to be immediately possible, given our high debt levels. They will cut tax where possible initially, to boost growth, and once spending is under control I am sure they will cut tax more. It seems to me that Conservatives and Labour have not done anything they promised in their manifestos?

www.tax.org.uk/reform-uk-tax-nov25

I find the more that I listen to Trump or Farage speak, the more I dislike both of them. When you see them in their raw, unedited form, they are at their very worst.

Like I said re Trump, I'm ambivalent - I appreciate that he's very pro-US and seems to be putting them first, which is what our leaders should be doing for us.

No - Trump is pro Trump. He only values other Americans (or other people) to the extent that they are useful to him or flatter him. If nothing else, that should be obvious to anyone who listens to what he says. It's not as though he attempts to hide it.

We need to train our own workers rather than importing cheap labour, in every industry.

And while these people are being trained, what happens? Has Farage explained that? Do you not think that if it were that easy, somebody else would have done it already? Suella Braverman for instance? She spent enough time in government - what difference will joining Reform make?

Re taxation, Farage is again being honest that huge tax cuts are not going to be immediately possible, given our high debt levels. They will cut tax where possible initially, to boost growth, and once spending is under control I am sure they will cut tax more.

You could copy and paste that into any party manifesto.

Reform run my county council. Their leaflets were covered in 'LOWER waste, LOWER taxes' promises. Unsurprisingly, they've raised our council tax by the maximum possible percentage as soon as they possibly could.

Following your thoughts on taxation, @Somemum1. Why are you prepared to accept that high debt = high tax burden when Farage says it, but when it's the policy of another government, you think it needs to change?

Blooming heck! If that’s really true I am off. Thought the posters on Mumsnet had common sense.

A lot of people are finding themselves in a similar position to you: used to vote Left but now feeling hugely disappointed with the Labour govt and not liking the offerings from any of the other traditional parties.

The state of politics in Western nations is abysmal because the negative outcomes of the policies of the last 20 years are coming home to roost. We need some new approaches, not just sloganeering from traditional parties pretending to have new approaches.

I don't think I would ever vote for Reform but I like the idea of them having an influence on traditional parties and forcing those parties to finally realise just how fed up a lot of the electorate is with the 'managerialist tinkering around the edges of issues' that has been politics as usual for decades.

There's a very marked trend here that our resident Labour stans might like to think about.

That's such a change in numbers (with regards males voting for Labour) that I'm not sure what to make of it.

The increase in female voting intention for Reform seems to be in line with a lot of the political reporting of late.

Voting intentions in the UK don't go in lockstep with electoral sentiments in the USA (in the 80s we had the Thatcher-Reagan love in but in the 90s and 00s we frequently had ideological opposites in power at the same time in the two nations). Which is why the Henny Penny posters convinced that US politics will play out exactly the same here do my bap in. In 2024 the US voted in Trump but the UK voted in Labour 🤷‍♀️

Exactly

You're right, these are all very welcome, much-needed reforms. But IMO they don't go nearly far enough. They don't adequately address illegal immigration.

And refusal to leave the ECHR means that criminals' rights often over-ride victims'. We have perfectly adequate human rights laws without ECHR.

What do you think about Labour covering up the grooming gangs? Or is that a 'far-right dog-whistle'?

That's such a change in numbers (with regards males voting for Labour) that I'm not sure what to make of it.

Mathematically I'd say it's not Labour doing well among men but Labour really tanking among women.

I think there are a couple of main things, Reform improving dramatically among women and also lots of left-wing women shifting to the Greens. (Polanski aside, I think the Greens are female-coded in a way that some left wing men don't find attractive.)

Possibly also a point or two accounted for by women shifting to the Tories because they like Kemi.

I wonder how many voters have had their eyes opened by Trump (- Farage's BFF -) since that survey was taken. At the very least, I hope that the picture of ICE detaining a 5 year old child wearing a bunny hat, has pricked a few consciences whilst the draft dodger's comments on NATO troops will, hopefully, make people think twice.

I'm sorry, were you replying to the UK polling trend I shared, or did you just want to vent at someone random?

I was responding to both the title of this thread and the poll. Sorry I upset you.

If people and especially women don’t stand up there will be more and more Crowboroughs across the country.

I saw a resident ask a minister

“what plans have you got to meet the sexual needs of 500 young men”.

fair question, historically sailors( not these sailors) went into port after months and had needs.

”No plan” was the ministers only answer.

So men from countries that have zero respect for women dropped off to local towns and villages!

it’s not all of them of course BUT there’s enough.

search rapes Bournemouth, Nottingham and many other places. These are British women and girls at risk. When is enough enough.

I would also ask any politician to tell you whether or not they believe a women can have a penis and should share changing and toilet facilities with a biological woman. If you think that’s okay vote SNP, Green, Liberal, Labour and even Tory.

the madness against women must be stopped surely.

This. What a ridiculous newspaper article.

What a shocker that were not a hive mind. With different political views. Still less facist than the average though.

Apart from the farage being honest bit. Generally best to keep blatant lies off campaign literature (unless the side of a bus in a referendum)

Still not sure what he has lied about?

I suppose over the next few months we can look forward to what happens here every time there's an election in the offing, with a lot of posters who definitely aren't Labour supporters, honest guv, thinking they can hector and insult us into voting Labour.

There's a famous book called How to Win Friends and Influence People. Morgan McSweeney might find it an illuminating read.

There's absolutely one pursuit that will be a total waste of time, the diehards in Labour and Conservatives trying to entice or shame people into voting for the Big Two. It's really not gonna work. There will be tactical voting on steroids.
My big fear remains that turnout on the day may be even worse than 2024, maybe well under 55% for the first time as political apathy reaches endemic proportions.
Whether it's again Conservative voters who stay at home, or Labour ones this time, likely both.
Meaning a real possibility of a Reform majority on 27-30% of 55% ie just over 1/6 of the whole electorate, or some Frankenstein left rainbow alliance that might amount to more votes, but won't amount in practice to anything stable or productive.

thinking they can hector and insult us into voting Labour.

Shows they have absolutely no faith in Labour's ability to effect meaningful change. Insults for 'wrongvote' are all they've got

Íosa Críost, not more election ploppers. The summer of 2024 was arduous 😵