Mumsnet is now backing Reform UK - survey

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The ladies are for turning after all – as a new survey reveals that one in five of the politically engaged mothers on the social networking site are ready to pledge allegiance to Nigel Farage

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/mumsnet-labour-reform-school-gates-keir-starmer-b2894524.html

Also in full at https://archive.is/V5P6n

1 in 5 does not mean that 'mumsnet are backing reform'. It means that 20% are, which is still a minority.

Pull the other one! The Tories under Theresa May tried to implement self ID as the law of the land in 2017. They ran a public consultation on their plans for doing that, got some hard blowback and a change of leader, then two PMs later had the gall to start lecturing the rest of the world on ‘not knowing what a woman is’ as if they’d not been pushing self ID to be the law in the UK about ten minutes ago.

We’re not new to this. Misogyny is in all our political parties. Vote how you like, but FFS don’t vote Reform or Tory because you think they’re a party for women’s rights.

Since women get disproportionately fucked over financially by unequal pay and relationship breakdown in this day and age, I’d say that the most sensible vote to support women is for whichever party most supports public services the NHS and schools and the welfare state. You never know when you, or those you love, might become 100% reliant on these things.

If they can’t tell you what a women is and describe it how can any of the green, liberal and Labour actually support women’s rights. Pretty basic concept really. They are even holding back the equal rights commissions advice based on the legal decision last year as they want women with beards and penises to be treated as women. Weird.

Women don’t have to vote left but they also are very much the reason politicians have changed at all on this. They kept speaking up and pushing and still it’s not over.

Thing is, 18 months ago we had a deluge of posters telling us that we had a positive obligation to vote Labour because they would do so much to boost economic growth and public services.

And not to worry if Starmer, Reeves, Rayner etc seemed dodgy on self-ID, because our self-proclaimed leaders in WPUK were having all these secret squirrel meetings with Labour leadership, and they'd sort out all the problems with single sex space after the election.

And if we weren't convinced, they'd try to insult us into submission by saying we were all Tory shills or even far right activists.

How's that been working out for you?

Ultimately any society can't get by just with laws, society itself has to believe in the things being legislated.

And there should normally be lots of things that may not be legislated but also are not socially acceptable, though it seems in recent years that many people argue that if something isn't illegal, it is fine.

But I don't really buy the claim that separation from European human rights organisations means giving up on the idea of human rights, why would it?

I know, the TRA are awful but women are standing firm against the authoritarian demands thst they sacrifice their rights to satisfy a few men, and the rape murder and assault threats when they say no. I think you’re a little confused though. The TRA are not far right, they may act it but they’re really left leaning. HTH.

Agreed. And from a woman's point of view European human rights organisations haven't done a huge amount for women's and girls human rights with the ridiculous anti-woman self-ID laws in many countries, the brothels which have lead to more human trafficking (and 'forced prostitution' i.e. essentially slavery) in Germany.

Then as a PP says you have the multiple cases where 'human rights' law has been used to allow paedophile rapists to stay in this country with nary a thought for the human rights of the children these men have abused and continue to terrorise once released from prison.

When only one type of person's 'human rights' are ever considered, it's not 'human rights' is it, it's men's rights only, and seemingly only the worst type of men. That's what we see happening.

Like the Ethiopian illegal immigrant sex offender who was arrested, mistakenly released then given £500 to leave the uk. His victim's family said:

"From getting the phone call, to the court case, the sentencing, the accidental release, the £500 payoff. Everything. It has been the biggest level of disrespect to me and my family.
"It’s like the Government have rewarded him for his crimes. That’s how it feels.
"He had £500 and we haven’t even had contact or an apology, absolutely nothing."
The father criticised Justice Secretary David Lammy for his actions, branding the Labour minister "spineless".

He told the Sun: "These people are in charge of this country and they are laughing in the faces of people talking about a sexual assault on a 14-year-old girl."
He revealed that after Kebatu was mistakenly released, his daughter refused to leave the house, adding: "It brought back all the fear, all the worries, all those horrible feelings.
"She was scared he would find her. Between the police and the prison service, they put that fear back into my child.
"I will hold them accountable for that for as long as I live."

Hadush Kebatu: Family of Epping migrant’s victim rage over ‘biggest level of disrespect’ after bungled release of sex attacker and £500 payment

Sorry it's a GB news link but funnily enough I looked to see if the victim's family's comments were on the BBC and they weren't. Nary a thought for the 14 year old victim there, whose human rights are never mentioned in any article I could find. As if she doesn't exist, and he's the only important person in all this. The BBC is biased against women and girls.

The 'human rights' of young girls, including the grooming gang victims seem to never, ever have been considered by the government and institutions to be important except for the rare few decent people like Maggie Oliver (who I note had to leave her job as a police officer in order to stand up for them). But I bet if you did a poll and asked the entire populace whose human rights should be prioritised, a sex offender or their child victim the vast majority would want that child's human rights (their right not to be attacked) prioritised.

Yep. And I bet there’s a fair few women who are hairdressers, or work in shops and pubs. Labour is no help to them, the opposite.

It is the dishonesty. Labour are saying that single sex toilets are unfeasible. After years and years of having ladies and gents, they are saying that because 3 year olds and pregnant women exist, single sex toilets can't.

The suggestion previously, from both labour and conservatives, was that the GRC allowed some men in. That's been cleared up, and now labour are claiming single sex toilets is the most difficult policy to introduce.

Its clear that they want single sex to apply to refuges, but single gender to apply everywhere else. Its a labour internal policy, not one that supported by the public.

I posted this article on another thread discussing this topic and I thought it would be of interest on this one too. It's an interesting analysis about why politicians and journalists of a certain persuasion are clueless about the lives that their fellow citizens lead and how these lives lead people to distrust the mainstream political parties.

https://thecritic.co.uk/into-the-boomerverse/

"It isn’t just decent but out-of-touch commentators like John Harris, or even somewhat otherworldly former Archbishops who keep their minds chastely behind a veil of ignorance about modern Britain — it’s Sir Keir, our less than beloved national Don Quixote.

His faith in public institutions which have manifestly failed, his reverence for international laws that nobody is following anymore, his assumption that economic renewal will take care of itself and his confused obeisance to progressive trends all reflect the time-warp generation. He believes in institutions because they worked for him, he blindly worships international law because it was a fiction still indulge in his youth, he expects the economy to turn around because it always did before and he takes the knee to the BLMs of this world because he liked to sing along to Free Nelson Mandela as a young man. There are no nostalgics like progressive nostalgics….

…Things that were once Britain’s chief strengths — stability, the rule of law and institutional continuity — have become collective curses when removed from the context of patriotism and a government focused on the national interest. Whilst other countries have woken up to the reality of a changing world and new threats, unanticipated by the framers of the post-war Western order, Britain remains asleep even as the house burns down around it. Leaders care more about international law, proceduralism and liberal civility than they do about their fellow citizens. "

You get a lot of that on Times Radio, like that episode where Hugo Rifkind and his guests were chortling about the naffness of the Reform conference - and yes, it did have a certain camp element, between Andrea Jenkyns' sparkly jumpsuit and Jeremy Kyle MC'ing...

...but that just confirmed to me that Hugo Rifkind has never sat down with his family to watch Saturday night TV. Things like X Factor and Stricly and Carry On films might be naff, but they're also hugely popular parts of vernacular British culture.

So there may be trends in British culture that are invisible to the child growing up in the Rifkind household, who doesn't get any closer to vernacular British culture than Michael Portillo's Agreeable Railway Journeys.

I used to vote Green / Libdem / Labour, but I will be voting Reform at the council elections in May, and at the next General Election, for the following reasons:

1. I am not racist, I am very happy to welcome anyone of any colour, race or religion who wants to help our country thrive and accept our values. BUT I believe that many illegal immigrants and some legal ones despise Western values, come here to exploit our generosity, and want to change our country to respect their own views. As women we are kind and tend to want to help everyone, but we have been taken advantage of, with no respect in return.

2. The country is broke. We need to change taxes and welfare to incentivise businesses, get people working and attract investment and talent.

3. We need to stop spending fortunes on housing, welfare, legal aid, health, policing and prison for people who should not be in this country and don't need to be - I am happy to help genuine asylum seekers, but many of those granted Leave to Remain go back to visit their supposedly dangerous countries.

4. We need to tackle crime, particularly against women and girls. Sexual violence has risen dramatically, and unfortunately I think this is due to cultural differences between Britain and some of the countries that immigrants come from. Forgive me for wanting our children to be safe.

It won't be easy, but Reform's policies are to:
End illegal immigration, deport illegal immigrants, increase policing, reward working and productivity, scrap net zero to lower fuel costs for businesses and people, support farmers and manufacturing, rebuild our armed forces, encourage families
All of which I agree with.
(I used to back net zero, and I still care deeply for the environment, but I feel we have made poor choices too quickly, handicapping our economy, when our country's impact on global warming is very low. Decisions such as reducing UK steel production then importing it worsen global emissions, and damage our economy)

In addition, I can't vote for any other party, because:

Labour is increasing the welfare state and increasing tax, driving wealthy investors and talent overseas. This stifles economic growth.
Mostly Labour councils covered up the grooming gangs.

Conservatives are now saying everything they promised and should have done in their last 14 years in power. No one can trust them now

Greens are now nothing to do with the environment. They have formed a coalition between Socialists and Islamists. The last time that alliance took over a country together, Iran, it resulted in Socialists being massacred and hardline Islam taking over. Socialism sounds good in theory, but has never been good for the people in practice.

Libdems - want same high tax, high welfare policies as Labour, resulting in low growth economy. Won't stop immigration

Your Party - as per Greens but more extreme on Socialism and Islamism

Would be very interested to hear different opinions on the above!

Reform could offer me a billion quid and I still wouldn't vote for them. Because the man in charge of them is a spectacular bellend who I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw him.

And thats before you get to any of the shite that is their "policies"

The writer Gareth Williams is very much identifying this, Reform actively courting what you might call Middle Britain primetime TV demographic.
Interestingly, there's been commentary on the existing actual TV in the morning and afternoon on the terrestrial channels, detecting a definite anti Reform sneer.
There are so many atomised peoples out there, but certain things seem to have a wide reach, and the Reform glitzy primetime appeal thing is very real.
Weirdly, I'm Reform adjacent, but run a mile when Strictly/IACGMOOH etc are on, lol.

Same. Tice is even worse.

That's how I used to think until a year ago or so, when I realised that mainstream media such as BBC has presented a very biased left-wing, critical view of both Farage and Trump. I'm not pro-Trump now, but I do realise that if you actually listen to full comments rather than the spliced clips that MSM present, he is a lot less stupid and ridiculous.
Farage has been completely derided and maligned by MSM - if you take the time to listen, he doesn't put a foot wrong, is honest and says what he stands for, which is a lot better than most other politicians!

You're aware we can actually see what they said right?

It's not media bias when you can actually read and hear their bollocks claims first hand

If you listen to what he says and watch what he does (including looking at his voting history) and still rate him and his party, then of course you are free to vote for him. We live in a democracy, after all.

Just remember that wherever you are watching him (and Trump) that claims not to be 'mainstream media' will also have a bias.

Lol, is that you Nigel?

Someone has done a fantastic job of convincing the left wing middle class (including the media) that any opposition to any form of immigration is racist, and any question around the welfare state is wanting children to live in poverty.

Immigration as we are experiencing now only benefits private organisations. They get a plentiful workforce that drives wages down, get a larger UK market to sell to, and have no responsibility regarding the costs and availability of housing and amenities.

I remember when the left in this country critised Norman Tebbit for telling people to get on their bike and find a job. Now they are happy for people to have to travel hundreds and even thousands of miles for work. They dont seem at all bothered about what that does to the individual living in a strange culture or the people and places they leave behind.

Or the people who's job remain minimum wage forever.

I'm not pro-Trump now, but I do realise that if you actually listen to full comments rather than the spliced clips that MSM present, he is a lot less stupid and ridiculous.

“I’m helping Europe, I’m helping NATO, and until the last few days, when I told them about Iceland, they loved me,” Trump continued. “They called me daddy right last time. Very smart man said he’s our daddy.”

If he didn't have dementia before, there is certainly something wrong with him now.

Farage has been completely derided and maligned by MSM - if you take the time to listen, he doesn't put a foot wrong, is honest and says what he stands for, which is a lot better than most other politicians!

So can you explain his policy on taxation? the NHS?

I'm just saying - don't listen just to MSM soundbites which portray them as stupid or vile - listen to the whole speech / article

What bollocks has Farage said, in your opinion? I'm still learning, only fairly recently become interested in politics, since the country seems to be rapidly worsening...

The left-wing middle classes don't object to any opposition to immigration control, do they? Under (left-wing) Labour, a number of changes to immigration policy have been brought in (2025 Immigration White Paper),

• Closed the Skilled Worker route for social care
• Raised the skill level for others to Degree level
• Some occupations (medium skilled) were removed from the 'eligible' list and are now time limited/labour shortage based.
• Removed the 'dependents' clause for medium skilled occupations.
• Placed restrictions on the rights of refugees to apply to have their families/dependents join them in the UK.
• Longer waits for ILR.
• Signed the one-in, one-out small boat deal with France (though obviously not been plain sailing and necessary thanks to Brexit)
• Reformed asylum system - anyone with asylum status will be reviewed every 2.5yrs
• Made inroads chewing into the vast backlog of asylum claims left to build up by the Conservatives.