Mumsnet is now backing Reform UK - survey

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The ladies are for turning after all – as a new survey reveals that one in five of the politically engaged mothers on the social networking site are ready to pledge allegiance to Nigel Farage

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/mumsnet-labour-reform-school-gates-keir-starmer-b2894524.html

Also in full at https://archive.is/V5P6n

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reform really are ridiculous

Intelligent and well-argued. You should write a book

Apart from all the brexit lies which were predicted to be lies and have turned out to be lies to the detriment of the UK?

And then pretending not to know his Russian puppet that was jailed recently?

And pretending not to support Putin (again) but mysteriously echoing pro Russian taking points on the second invasion of Ukraine?

Nothing at all...

But they don’t. Labour put up energy bills despite saying they would reduce by £300.

they froze tax thresholds that they said was an unfair tax

What Reform has learnt is don’t promise what you cannot deliver which is what the others fail to.

Any actual evidence of any of that. Look at growth. We are well ahead of France and Germany. The EU have €700 billion debt plans to pay.

Any worries about the China relationship at all?

the embassy
the daily cyber attacks
all of our renewables rely on China
the slavery
the emissions

they have thrown everything at Farage and what’s be shown as fact. So much so they have had to go back to his school days to try and dig dirt up. Do you not think if there was evidence they wouldn’t be sharing.

the first question I now ask about a politician and a party is.

can you explain what a woman is and can they have male genitalia. That sorts the wheat from the chaff.

Women fought for their rights, died, were abused, but now men with mental health issues taking what women have. Cannot believe we even have to challenge this. Thankfully the Supreme Court and JKR support the real women and despite this the SNP, Greens, Labour don’t agree. Weird.

Plenty of evidence of his connections with Russia.

The question is whether you care.

I do. Let us have the evidence that you have. I suspect if there were evidence then action would have been taken.

All that’s out there are just smears that I have seen.

he has been a politician for decades and no evidence of all the noise created.

Farage has repeatedly claimed that Ukraine provoked Russia into invading it:

https://youtube.com/shorts/dq_Y19bwCIM?si=N-NftAkTYldTbz4u

He was also repeatedly paid by the Russian state to appear on one of their propaganda channels that was so bad that even perversely meek ofcom banned it.

And Putin has been relating these "favours": news.sky.com/story/gravely-concerning-claims-of-russian-interference-in-general-election-to-spread-support-for-farages-reform-13161235

And you have search engines. Happy hunting!

Let me guess. Are we going to recycle the Carole C stuff about Russia, Cambridge Analytica and the Leave vote, that the Remainiacs and Centrist Dads left have been frothing at the mouth for a nigh on a straight decade now?
If Russia is pulling Farage's strings, then you'd agree the Iranian regime was pulling Corbyn's?
If Starmer bigs up these conspiracy theories on Farage, he will gift him a bigger victory he might already get.
The fear is that Starmer has already chosen this course, giving up on any possibility that life under Labour can be in any way deemed improved.
Farage will dine out on the smear campaign coming his way.

It's perfectly fine to argue that the Ukraine invasion has different ways of looking at it.
Farage is one of the few UK politicians to make that case.
Corbyn took plenty of pro Iranian views, doesn't men the Ayotollah would have had a hotline into No.10 had he won in 2017 or 19.

That you have to compare him to Corbyn speaks volumes...

Look, I concede. Farage, despite his incredible education, could just be really unlucky and very poor at perceiving things.

Or maybe the traitor who seriously damaged and weakened the UK (by getting a foreign policy objective of Putin enacted), was paid (by Putin) to appear on Russian state propaganda channels, who blamed everyone except Putin on both invasions of Ukraine, who seriously suggested sending the Salisbury novichok poisoning samples to Russia for testing and whose long-term colleague was jailed for spouting pro Putin propaganda, coincidentally using very similar language to Farage, has a Russia fetish/problem.

I'm Reform adjacent but moving away from them now. For reasons other than your suspicions, more what Badenoch highlighted in her speech today.
My take is that Farage is Putin friendly in his takes (albeit plenty of people have Ukraine skeptical takes, both right and left wing), overly sympathetic to him, that doesn't sit comfortably with me.
But this doesn't make him a Russian asset.
And please don't conflate Brexit with Russia, Putin may see the EU weakened by our leaving but this is immaterial to the sovereign wishes of the British people.
Corbyn Sultana and Polanski (?) want us to leave NATO... does that make them Putin poodles?

If Russia is pulling Farage's strings, then you'd agree the Iranian regime was pulling Corbyn's?

It's not either or.

does that make them Putin poodles?

Do they have to be aware that they are Putin poodles? If not then yes.

That act of treachery is entirely linked to Russia with her use of disinformation on social media; with opaquely funded lobby groups and "susceptible" politicians just happening to promote identical propaganda in support of Putin's aim really is one of lifes glorious coincidences....

For an encore, the same techniques were used later that year to deliver Putin's most illustrious puppet for the first time. And it is noticeable that he is also remarkably unable to criticise the invasion of Ukraine; these miraculous coincidences just keep mounting up!

If a country has enough of its population deceived by a foreign state, those results are only the will of the Russian people, OK, one Russian person.

Horseshoe Theory is all the rage in politics. Aspects of Farage don't sit with me well. And his less than critical attitude to Putin disturbs me like Corbyn and Iran.
I have enough reservations on how I feel he'd do the job of PM and Reform running the country to be nowhere near close to voting for him/hem, despite being Reform adjacent in many areas.

I guess the French people are being played by Putin via Front Nationale, the Germans via AfD, Swedish people via Swedish Democrats etc?
Or is it just possible that after two decades of mass migration, the taps running at full, illegal migration, systemic failure of economic growth almost everywhere, more and more indebtedness, woke overreach etc, peoples have had enough?
Maybe that's the reason rather than the invisible claws of Putin?

This discussion about Trump, Farage, Britain's place in the world etc, I think, plays out what you (and other voters both from Left and Right) are considering when it comes to politics and elections:

I'm due to watch that. Have a lot of time for Mr. K.
I'm a Tory in the way some people are CoE/High Anglican, see Farage more as tele-vangelist. So, kinda all Christians, but a wholly different energy and vibe between the parties.
(NB, I'm a non believer, lol).
I'm also somewhat Stockholm Syndrome re politics, what sane person would vote Tory again, especially after 2020-24?
For me, my vote will depend on three, possibly opposing pulls
1...what is the Badenoch pitch for small state/pro business/reigning in the welfare state?
2...Farage "professionalising"...less cult of personality, who's his team, does he revert from private company with shareholders to a traditionally fully democratic party, his radical plans to re-wire the state?
3...the state of the left tactical voting #AnyoneButReformTories, re my own #AnyoneButRainbowAlliance need to get a right govt back in, the state of the local Reform and Tory candidates on offer, detailed local polling.
I hate to make gender politics seemingly the single issue I'll vote on, and it probably won't come to this.
But speaking subsequent to the GE to the Green candidate who has effectively been cancelled for her GC/anti trans medicalisation of teens/pro free speech views, hearing first hand how the IDentarian left crush dissent, and Labour's piss poor approach via Phillipson and Streeting, I cannot in any way ever consider voting for any left party while the madness of crowds infects them.
That just leaves me to juggle potentially opposing pulls re the intention to vote Tory or Reform.

Sadly it’s what I suspected. It’s hearsay. Politicians being critical of others and being conspiracy.

here is some academic stuff on how this affects elections. Pretty much zero. exec summary shows results of interference in UK and EU elections

https://cetas.turing.ac.uk/publications/ai-enabled-influence-operations-threat-analysis-2024-uk-and-european-elections

TV appearances. Loads of MPs. Even Alistair Campbell Tony Blair’s boy. Corbyn

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/18/mps-kremlin-propaganda-channel-rt

on the final note, provocation of Russia. Russian invading is terrible but

https://www.cato.org/commentary/us-nato-helped-trigger-ukraine-war-its-not-siding-putin-admit-it

to have a different view than the narrative from MSM isn’t a crime.

The stuff shared isn’t evidence of collusion it’s a view. Don’t forget Corbyn’s history with IRA and Muslim Terrorists. Tony Blair huddling up with Gadafi, Starmer now in pocket of China( they attack our systems every single day( check MI5)

I won’t persuade you because you’re locked in on this but please do research counter evidence. When someone more liberal or left that me argues any evidence I normally try and get the evidence from left sources. Like the guardian etc.

I have voted Conservatives then Labour( Blair early years) the liberal( Clegg) then conservatives.

Each and every time they have failed the country.

Farage has consistently beating the drum of his politics for decades and been proven right in the aftermath.

I like Kemi originally and wanted her in but remember Sunaks team lent votes to Truss to knock her and Penny out of the contest.

The 1922 committee used Boris to get the majority and ended up putting Hunt and Sunak in. Both rejected by members numerous times.

Kemi though has shown her inexperience with her in fighting and witch hunts. She hasn’t tackled what’s left of the liberal Tories so not her fault but are irrelevant and could actually be the block to real change in the country.

even Jacob Rees Mogg(!despite remaining conservative) has said Tory voters need to vote Reform in this by election.

Can you imagine a win for the Greens in Manchester, and the rocket boosters that would put under the Boob Whisperer?

Thanks for clarifying this!

He's been proved right?! It must be a global conspiracy that thinks brexit made us diplomatically and economically far weaker...

Or perhaps, just perhaps, he lied that we would enjoy brexit benefits.

(All the deals we have so far are <1% of the benefit we had from being in the EU)

Tricky...

Can you clarify. Data or info or specific issues?