Mumsnet is now backing Reform UK - survey

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The ladies are for turning after all – as a new survey reveals that one in five of the politically engaged mothers on the social networking site are ready to pledge allegiance to Nigel Farage

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/mumsnet-labour-reform-school-gates-keir-starmer-b2894524.html

Also in full at https://archive.is/V5P6n

But her concerns aren't in a minority. The problem here is the elite think one thing and the masses think another. The elite control the complaints process and don't submit themselves to the very laws they manipulate e.g. Kemp should be at least suspended by now as he failed at doing what he's required to in his job description.

The elite seem to genuinely think that women shouldn't have rights, actually. That any man should be able to use unconsenting women in falsely labelled 'single sex' spaces.

The masses do seem to still think (thank goodness) women should have rights, and have more power than the elite think. Things are beginning to fall apart and it's in part because people just quietly don't put up with this shit. They boycott shops with mixed sex by stealth changing rooms, and leisure centres, they stand up for their daughters in schools etc. There are many, many accounts on here of women who've quietly left jobs where their rights have not been respected, and I'm sure NHS Fife has a high turnover of frontline female staff. There are a shocking number of accounts of poor care and I think their legal team is busy with more than the Sandie Peggie case.

Eventually, the masses will start to quietly disregard the law themselves because the law is routinely broken by the elites with no consequence. It's the social contract being broken, essentially. It probably means dangerous times ahead, and this is why Kemp should be dealt with, but I think the elites are far too blinkered to see.

But her concerns aren't in a minority. The problem here is the elite think one thing and the masses think another.

But the hospital were convinced that her concerns were in a minority, so they would use your logic to support Upton's use of the female changing room.

But they're an employer and shouldn't care about opinions, they should care about the law.

They might think the law is wrong but it's still the law (1992 workplace regs as well as the SC judgement on the EA 2010). If they can disobey the law with such impunity what is the point of it?

Which is what KJK is saying. She's saying the law is an ass on women's rights and human rights lawyers like starmer just manipulate it or blatantly break it to prop up their luxury anti-woman beliefs. So this fight won't be won by lawfare.

I still think that lawfare is helpful mostly for the sunlight. However I suspect the sunlight sends more voters in the direction of Reform (to get back to the point of the thread) because it shows so clearly how the social contract is not being upheld by the NHS, by judges, by the establishment.

Which is why, in the end we have to rely on the law, which is based on the principle that women have rights, regardless of whether they are in a majority or a minority.

There's a really interesting lead story in today's Spectator about how Reform would approach government, with quotes from Danny Kruger and Zia Yusuf. Kruger says they'd want some big bills at the start of the next parliament, but because primary legislation takes forever and the end result is rarely what you want, he's looking at ways to bring change that don't necessarily involve legislation.

In terms of genderwoo, very little of this mess has to do with legislation (though I think the GRA is bad law and should be repealed) - it's been Stonewall strong arming institutions into adopting what Stonewall thought the law should be, it's been institutional capture in the NHS and the civil service and other places, it's been feckless politicians, it's been business leaders not caring enough to stand up to small numbers of activists.

You don't necessarily need an Act of Parliament to fix that. You need the environment to change, and maybe a new government could do a few things to help that along.

The whole problem with Bridget Phillipson sitting on the EHRC guidance could be solved in a moment (or 40 days) if Phillipson decides blocking the guidance is more politically costly to her than letting the guidance come into force.

Speaking of Phillipson, did you see her 'outraged and offended' performance on BBC when questioned about the delay to her laying the Code of Practice before Parliament? As the Tory MP who was questioning her said, obviously her behaviour meant a nerve was struck 🙄

Edited to add link to video.
https://x.com/OkayBiology/status/2008892427890045083?s=20

If you follow down that thread you find this, from June 24:
https://x.com/TimesRadio/status/1805352140275147000

I remember that interview, I listened with my head in my hands. Basically, every time Phillipson, Reeves, or Starmer got asked about this during the election campaign they made my blood boil with their complete lack of sense and reading the room on this topic.

I sometimes wonder where Phillipson has been, because she seems to be working on the premise that we've still got the 2004 GRA scenario (it's a tiny number and strictly gatekept, so no major impact on women's spaces) and she just needs to draw a line around refuges.

That's taking her at face value. I wouldn't want to suggest she's lying.

I agree. Phillipson is doing the classic (and highly infuriating), 'Ask about women's rights, get an answer about trans rights instead", schtick.

Also, she is very much only ever giving answers about women's refuges or rape crises as examples in her answers about single-sex spaces - I haven't heard her mention hospital wards, changing rooms, loos, or organisations.

So, as you say, she is working from a GRA 2004 point of view and doesn't see the FWS judgement as compatible with her preferences for how single-sex spaces and organisations should be run.

Its madness because if the process is robust enough to allow men with GRC into womens toilets, why isnt it good enough for refuges?

I think shes focused on protecting the most vulnerable women at the most vulnerable time - but assumes these women leave the refuge and can use a public loo or changing room with the men who are excluded from the 'safe space'.

Its as if trauma happens when the lights go out.

Have you read the reform policies. Seem quite clear on overall plans.

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Reform and conservatives only ones willing to define what a women is? Quite important for women I would have thought.

I would rather saw my tits off with a rusty bread knife than vote for Reform. HTH.

They may 'know what a woman is' but they couldn't give a flying fuck about us.

Yes especially a Rusty knife, very descriptive.

Perhaps Laila Cunningham and many other Reform women can persuade you. Not sure who will protect women’s rights with the Labour, Liberals and Greens more focused on trans and refugee rights than hard fought women’s rights. Even delaying the proposals after the court final told them what a women was to protect their extreme voting base which was women with beards and penises to have same rights as women.

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Reform want to replace the Equality Act, but with what? They say they want to scrap 'Diversity, Equality and Inclusion rules' - so what does that mean? Pregnant women can be sacked?

The ability to 'define what a woman is' does not in itself guarantee any protection of women's rights.

I agree.

There was a strange relationship between the government, stonewall and business/public bodies that resulted in this mess, thats little to do with law.

I remember reading a transcript of May addressing a stonewall convention early on in the government, she talked about LGBT and trans rights when stonewall were still officially lgb not lgbt.

Stonewall eventually did become LGBT, were getting government grants and endorsements, creating awards for businesses.

The government (May again) out of nowhere announced maybe introducing self id.

I can see how business, not wanting to break future laws, saw stonewall as a means to achieving that.

The government then backed away from self id, yet didnt think to say to stonewall that their awards were out of date?

Now we are in a position where people are claiming that single sex provision is unachievable when it was only 10 years ago they had to be trained to be trans inclusive.

If it can be ravelled without legalisation, it can be unravelled without legislation too.

This is the panic that politicians try and create. The policies can be withdrawn and new ones put in place without the bits that are being abused at present. There are many laws that were withdrawn from in Brexit then reissued in UK policy which just require certain amendments.

if we don’t have the human rights laws stopping sec offenders being deported because they would be treated badly( because they are a sex offender) or their kids don’t like food in the home country.

these policies were rightly put in after the war but had been amended and fudged and now keep human rights lawyers rich beyond belief.

look at the killer that was injuring prison officers just awarded £7,500 damages the lawyers costs were £245k paid for by the UK tax payer.

The system is broken and Human Rights lawyers like Starmer won’t change it.

I'm must reading the link you posted.

They aren't suggesting any new replacement legislation.

The turkeys voting for Christmas will not persuade me, no.

Individual choice is what’s great.

Tell that to Mr Farage who is courting the anti-abortion lobbyists (the ADF) in a major way.

Links to evidence statements would be great as there are so many handmaidens tale stories about.

I literally can’t understand how you can suggest that there are no policies mentioned.

I couldn’t not see them. Gender ideology removed from schools, net zero changes, immigration, EHCR? Not sure what you are looking for?