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Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 2

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fromorbit · 08/12/2025 14:07

Zack Polanski is making things bigger again.

We need a new thread to discuss all his antics and the ongoing situation in the Green party which is getting more ever more bizarre. While it is getting ever strident in denying biology it also has Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it.

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration,(https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ ) continues and the court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing.

In Bristol the Women of Wessex are causing panic amongst the ruling Green council just by turning up and asking questions. This may result in another court case.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5455053-bristol-council-is-about-to-be-sued

With local elections in May and elections in Wales incoming lots more to discuss and call out.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of Hypno Boobs:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

Green Women's Declaration | Support Women's Rights Now

Learn about the Green Women’s Declaration advocating for sex-based rights within Green politics, supporting women, and promoting ecofeminism and free speech.

https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk

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FlirtsWithRhinos · 14/03/2026 16:13

ChatGPT, obviously 👆

NasturtiumsAreUnderrated · 14/03/2026 18:09

Maiden speeches, compared and contrast.

In some ways Sarah Pochin is a very good comparator. Also female, also won a high-profile byelection, also from a disruptor, populist party.

Mhairi Black is another good comparison. No-one expected her to win, she made no secret of her distaste for Westminster and its traditions and she's left parliament now, but she knew what she wanted to do with the power and responsibility she'd been handed.

Compared with Spencer both of them make much more of the opportunity to tell everyone why they're in the Commons and what they hope to do there. Both are also more respectful of the tradition of paying tribute to one's predecessor. Spencer mentions Andrew Gwynne's work on inequality briefly (perfectly acceptable), but doesn't actually namecheck him, which is discourteous.

For the sake of her constituents I hope Spencer finds her feet, but I was taken aback that - given such a platform and such a golden opportunity - all she could do was say 'Yay, I made it. You get all sorts and life's not fair.'

ArabellaSaurus · 14/03/2026 20:04

Sigh. I remember how inspiring Black's speech was at the time. And how grim her subsequent performance turned out to be. Too young, perhaps.

NasturtiumsAreUnderrated · 14/03/2026 20:18

Of course, vacuity is no bar to reaching the highest office in UK politics, even for the son of a toolmaker. Starmer has about as much clue what he's in Downing Street for as Spencer appears to have re the HoC. Flabbergasting. I wonder who's telling him what to do now McSweeney has left.

Chersfrozenface · 14/03/2026 21:18

Looking at Polanski-alikes, how is Mamdani doing with his making New York more equal and more affordable?

Apart from signing an executive order yesterday establishing the first-ever Mayor's Office of LGBTQIA+ Affairs, and installing a transwoman as director.

Per CBS News.

NasturtiumsAreUnderrated · 14/03/2026 21:50

Apologies for continuing my digression from Greenery, but I thought I might as well check out Starmer's maiden speech and see how he fares, judged by the same standard. There's a lot of legal stuff related to the Tory attack on human rights legislation, some stuff about inequality and a generous tribute to Frank Dobson... and that's it. Bit like Spencer's, but with the benefit of more formal education. Weirdly light on political content (he was smart to choose the debate he did to make his maiden speech - he was able to talk law, rather than politics).

These maiden speeches are quite revealing.

fromorbit · 15/03/2026 11:50

Pingponghavoc · 14/03/2026 13:57

The Greens cycle through leaders quite regularly, they usually change every four years or so. Is that a policy?

If it is, would ZP get chance to be leader and in parliament with many MPs at the same time? I cant imagine him thinking he was the one who made them electable, but standing back from being leader.

The Greens elect leaders and deputy leaders every 2 years. So Hypno will be up for election in 2027. Be interesting to see if anyone stands against him,

So will Mothin Ali and I think the TAs and the Gaza fanatics will have a real battle if he stands again. His avoiding any questions about LGBT stuff is not going to fly a second time round.

With the huge influx of members bound to be others who want the spot too.

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Lalgarh · 15/03/2026 12:58

Sian Berry was on question time last week. I didn't see any of it

cariadlet · 15/03/2026 15:16

fromorbit · 15/03/2026 11:50

The Greens elect leaders and deputy leaders every 2 years. So Hypno will be up for election in 2027. Be interesting to see if anyone stands against him,

So will Mothin Ali and I think the TAs and the Gaza fanatics will have a real battle if he stands again. His avoiding any questions about LGBT stuff is not going to fly a second time round.

With the huge influx of members bound to be others who want the spot too.

Normally leadership elections (leader and deputy) are every 2 years but things have got out of sync. I think that the last election was delayed but I can't remember why.

Leadership elections are due in 2026 rather than 2027. I can't see there being an appetite for an election this year with the current growth in membership numbers and in voting share.

There's a motion to Spring Conference for this year's leadership team to have 2 years in office (so elections in 2027) and then, following those elections, for term lengths to be increased to 3 years.

fromorbit · 16/03/2026 01:19

More proof of what this thread has suspected. . :

What about the climate? How the Green party’s messaging has changed in 2026
By Climate Outreach on March 10, 2026

We conducted a rapid analysis of the language used in 21 Green Party leaflets since Zack Polanki’s first conference speech as leader last year (most of which had been uploaded to www.electionleaflets.org). Across 10,026 words covered in over 40 pages, we found that there was only one mention of ‘climate change’ and no mentions of ‘net zero’. ‘Environment’ was mentioned seven times and ‘nature’ just once.

Zack Polanki’s party conference speech in October contained five mentions of ‘climate’ and two of ‘nature’.

In the available leaflets from the Gorton & Denton by-election specifically, we found no mentions of climate change at all.

https://climateoutreach.org/greens_ecopopulism/

Note I have seen arguments that this is because everyone assumes the Greens position on the environment so there is no need to talk about it. Yet given Reform are actively saying climate change is not a problem more and more it is interesting that the Greens in essence does NOT want to argue with them about it.

Protest against Green Party's proposal (Motion A105) to label Zionism as racism, in Islington with ZP on hand gets messy.

https://www.ourfight.uk/the-green-party-has-an-anti-semitism-problem/

Greens could drop Church of England as Britain's established church if it wins election
In a policy document seen by The Daily Mail, the party states that the Church will be disestablished and shall become 'self-governing', meaning the Prime Minister would no longer have a say in selecting the Archbishop of Canterbury.

Bishops would be expelled from the House of Lords and the Church's representative in the House of Commons, currently Labour MP Marsha de Cordova, would be abolished.

Henry VIII established the nation's church in the 1534 Act of Supremacy during his reign.

The policy aims to untangle the state from religion. Policy documents state: 'No person shall hold office in the state, or be excluded from any such office, by virtue of their or their spouse’s membership or non- membership of any religion or denomination of religion.'

The party has also pledged to abolish all zoos and force every dog owner to have a licence.

It pledged to introduce more red tape for the owners of Britain's 13.5 million dogs and make parks return their animals to the wild.

A 'two-tiered' licensing system would be brought in for those who breed dogs and others who do not.

https://www.msn.com/en-my/news/other/greens-could-drop-church-of-england-as-britain-s-established-church-if-it-wins-election/ar-AA1YFqff?cvid=69b73b7d2a8c42c3afa8c91c28692a9a&ocid=hpmsn

More drama Spring conference from those trying to undermine:Ukraine defence:

Ukraine solidarity activists in the Green Party of England and Wales, organised in the Green Ukraine Solidarity network, have put together the following motion to its upcoming Spring conference (28 March 2026, online). It is proposed by British-Ukrainian climate activist and GPEW member Viktoriya Ball and co-proposed by 56 others.
The Green Party’s Standing Orders committee has now confirmed that the motion is in order and on the agenda as number E29 (it was previously numbered A75).
There is also an amendment (currently numbered Ä3) which we are calling on members to oppose and vote down. This amendment deletes point d. below and replaces it with a formulation which amounts to an imperialist stitch-up at the expense of Ukraine’s rights, in the name of rejecting “militarised responses”.

https://ukrainesolidaritycampaign.org/2025/12/23/ukraine-solidarity-motion-to-green-party-of-england-wales-2026-spring-conference/

MSN

https://www.msn.com/en-my/news/other/greens-could-drop-church-of-england-as-britain-s-established-church-if-it-wins-election/ar-AA1YFqff?cvid=69b73b7d2a8c42c3afa8c91c28692a9a&ocid=hpmsn

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/03/2026 01:22

Lalgarh · 15/03/2026 15:58

Don't think this has been posted yet.

If 2 thirds of the party are new, are the greens still the same party?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/14/green-party-membership-boom

I wonder what the older members (ie those middle aged and retired people who joined 20/30/40 years ago) think?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/03/2026 01:23

From what I’ve seen of the Greens to date Hannah Spencer is very much a token working class person in the party.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/03/2026 01:25

Having a look on Reddit the TRAs think Hypno has a chance of being PM in his own right.

SionnachRuadh · 16/03/2026 02:52

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/03/2026 01:23

From what I’ve seen of the Greens to date Hannah Spencer is very much a token working class person in the party.

She's got a Bolton accent, which is why the "abolish landlordism" party tacitly agrees not to mention that she's a landlord.

See also Mothin Ali never being asked if he actually agrees that TWAW.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 16/03/2026 07:26

Lalgarh · 15/03/2026 15:58

Don't think this has been posted yet.

If 2 thirds of the party are new, are the greens still the same party?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/14/green-party-membership-boom

It's like the ancient axe that has had three new heads & four new handles but is still the same axe or a 1960s pop group on the nostalgia circuit containing one member who was a session musician on their third LP.

DrBlackbird · 16/03/2026 08:03

I was out for dinner with friends and fell to talking about politics and one said she was thinking of voting Green in the next election. There wasn’t time to ask why, but it is worrying that an older middle class woman has only heard positives about a party with crazy policies. I think its shift to the far left has not made the general news and that there’s still a patina of the more respectable ‘Caroline Lucas veneer’ about the party in people’s minds. Tbf, it’s these threads that made me aware of their anti-women, anything but the environment policies.

Lalgarh · 16/03/2026 08:51

PrettyDamnCosmic · 16/03/2026 07:26

It's like the ancient axe that has had three new heads & four new handles but is still the same axe or a 1960s pop group on the nostalgia circuit containing one member who was a session musician on their third LP.

The Sugababes conundrum/ ship of Theseus/ Triggers Broom 🧹 😆

Spencer I think with the landlordism someone elsewhere had said "it's only one house". The Mail I presume has searched through land registry records as if they are quoting her comments on Mumsnet I think we discovered here that they might have got the wrong poster

Link from landlords today

https://www.landlordtoday.co.uk/breaking-news/2026/02/anti-landlord-green-by-election-candidate-at-centre-of-property-row/

There's no further details in the Mail really

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15580865/amp/Green-Party-candidate-Hannah-Spencer-property-hoarding-hypocrite-real-estate-portfolio.html

‘Anti-landlord’ Green by-election candidate in huge property row - Landlord Today

The poll is tomorrow – ‘Anti-landlord’ Green by-election candidate in huge property row

https://www.landlordtoday.co.uk/breaking-news/2026/02/anti-landlord-green-by-election-candidate-at-centre-of-property-row/

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/03/2026 09:50

Lalgarh · 16/03/2026 08:51

The Sugababes conundrum/ ship of Theseus/ Triggers Broom 🧹 😆

Spencer I think with the landlordism someone elsewhere had said "it's only one house". The Mail I presume has searched through land registry records as if they are quoting her comments on Mumsnet I think we discovered here that they might have got the wrong poster

Link from landlords today

https://www.landlordtoday.co.uk/breaking-news/2026/02/anti-landlord-green-by-election-candidate-at-centre-of-property-row/

There's no further details in the Mail really

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15580865/amp/Green-Party-candidate-Hannah-Spencer-property-hoarding-hypocrite-real-estate-portfolio.html

The Telegraph definitely had the wrong poster.

SionnachRuadh · 16/03/2026 10:00

I see why the left has taken up anti-landlordism as its great cause, if the demographic group driving the Green surge, and Corbynism previously, is young people who feel screwed by the housing market.

But sometimes it can be a rod for your own back. Mind you, saying that, Lloyd Russell-Moyle managed to combine being secretary of the Socialist Campaign Group with being a landlord, and everyone politely pretended not to notice.

Lalgarh · 16/03/2026 10:21

Him as well!?

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/renters-reform-bill-eight-landlord-mps-transparency/#:~:text=The%20other%20MPs%20who%20list,for%20renters%20and%20rental%20reform.

I wonder If Zarah Sultana over at Your Party might have a lodger somewhere

HildegardP · 16/03/2026 17:34

RainbowBagels · 14/03/2026 09:20

No because they aren't the old Green Party anymore. They have been flooded with activists from various Hard Left/ Pro Pal groups, who have little to no interest in environmentalism. Including Polanski himself.

Don't confuse Hypnotits with the ideological entryists. He's a failed actor who couldn't get himself into the spotlight in the LibDems so jumped ship in hopes of becoming a big fish in what was then a far smaller pond. His "politics" begin & end with the calculation, "what best advances ME?"

SionnachRuadh · 16/03/2026 17:39

HildegardP · 16/03/2026 17:34

Don't confuse Hypnotits with the ideological entryists. He's a failed actor who couldn't get himself into the spotlight in the LibDems so jumped ship in hopes of becoming a big fish in what was then a far smaller pond. His "politics" begin & end with the calculation, "what best advances ME?"

Yes. Naughty people on X have been sharing a clip from when he was standing as a Lib Dem in Barnet, telling the broad masses that a vote for him was a vote for a better deal for motorists, and also a vote for Israel and Judaism. The electorate in Barnet of course contains lots of Jews and lots of motorists and even some Jewish motorists.

How he squares that with his current Omnicause followers in the GPEW... well, isn't shameless opportunism brilliant?