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Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 2

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fromorbit · 08/12/2025 14:07

Zack Polanski is making things bigger again.

We need a new thread to discuss all his antics and the ongoing situation in the Green party which is getting more ever more bizarre. While it is getting ever strident in denying biology it also has Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it.

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration,(https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ ) continues and the court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing.

In Bristol the Women of Wessex are causing panic amongst the ruling Green council just by turning up and asking questions. This may result in another court case.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5455053-bristol-council-is-about-to-be-sued

With local elections in May and elections in Wales incoming lots more to discuss and call out.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of Hypno Boobs:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

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HildegardP · 16/03/2026 17:41

That's beautiful. I'm off the TwiX naughty step at last so must find the vid & duly RT it. 😈

ItsCoolForCats · 16/03/2026 18:57

SionnachRuadh · 16/03/2026 17:39

Yes. Naughty people on X have been sharing a clip from when he was standing as a Lib Dem in Barnet, telling the broad masses that a vote for him was a vote for a better deal for motorists, and also a vote for Israel and Judaism. The electorate in Barnet of course contains lots of Jews and lots of motorists and even some Jewish motorists.

How he squares that with his current Omnicause followers in the GPEW... well, isn't shameless opportunism brilliant?

Ooh have you got a link?

RainbowBagels · 16/03/2026 19:28

HildegardP · 16/03/2026 17:34

Don't confuse Hypnotits with the ideological entryists. He's a failed actor who couldn't get himself into the spotlight in the LibDems so jumped ship in hopes of becoming a big fish in what was then a far smaller pond. His "politics" begin & end with the calculation, "what best advances ME?"

Actually yes you're absolutely right! I credited him with some actual ideals when he had none.

Lalgarh · 17/03/2026 18:58

As ever the comments below are a cesspool, but some green converts maintain "that was his position then, now he's seen the error of his ways".

Another front. 50 Labour MPs have been rounded up to write to Polanski to get the green party to drop their motion on promoting natural childbirth as opposed to c sections.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/green-party-polanski-childbirth-normal-natural-b2936656.html?utm_source=reddit.com

And again they get a quote from Polanski, this time from 2024 when they took the motion off their website (but still have it as a passed motion as I understand it)

"...The policy was deleted from its website and was not included in the election manifesto, but Mr Polanski told Sky News at the time, “it’s not that we have changed our minds”, adding expert advice would be needed before it could be included..."

Dozens of MPs urge Greens to officially ditch ‘normal’ childbirth policy immediately

The Green Party apologised in 2024 for the upset caused by the policy

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/green-party-polanski-childbirth-normal-natural-b2936656.html

NasturtiumsAreUnderrated · 17/03/2026 19:03

Reasons people give for not voting GPEW
Questions in this format are usually frustrating because the response options aren't well designed, I'd be interested to have a play with the raw data, though. The implication is that the sample was drawn from the non-GPEW-voting electorate as a whole, which complicates the interpretation - it's not very informative to have potential GPEW voters lumped together with people who would never contemplate a GPEW vote.

I'm not sure any of the options really captures the obstacle that GPEW just isn't a serious party, that the policy platform is a grab-bag of all the favourite omnicause policies dreamt up by people who know they will never have to take responsibility for anything. The sentiment is probably closest to being a combination of: can't be trusted with the nation's finances, don't like Hypnoboobs (has no principles and is in it for the ego trip) and too unprofessional.

It's disappointing but not surprising that GPEW policy on sex-based rights is not a significant barrier for >95% of respondents (about the same percentage are deterred by GPEW’s anti-semitism - with the likely sample size the difference will be well within the margins of error). I am slightly surprised that lack of economic credibility is less of a barrier than defence and security policy though. Since more people vote on essentially economic issues than on foreign and defence policy that's a win for Hypnoboobs.

SionnachRuadh · 17/03/2026 21:55

It's much more useful for parties if they can identify the barriers to potential voters. I don't know if GPEW has money to spend on internal polling, but it's one of the most valuable assets a party can have, especially if you can identify things the party can change.

I don't think I'll ever warm to Morgan McSweeney, but he might have been the last person in Labour to think that Labour had to appeal to the median voter.

If you want to understand what Reform is doing right now, a big part of that is leadership asking "how do we get from being a 28% party to a 35% party?" and their polling telling them a third of Tory voters are open to switching, and these are predominantly women and pensioners who are very alienated from the political class but also very risk-averse. So you hire Jenrick, who's built up a record as a Liz Truss disrespecter, and you get him to de-risk your economic platform by telling everyone he's looking for realistic savings instead of unfunded tax cuts.

Maybe it won't work, but aiming for that risk-averse female and pensioner vote is a big enough prize to be worth losing the jokers on X who like to share memes of Rupert Lowe as St George.

I don't know if GPEW has started polling in a serious way, or if they're just winging it based on their instincts and social media response. I suspect the latter - if the comparison with Farage holds, it's not with 2026 Reform, but with the enthusiastic amateur energy of 2014 Ukip.

There's also the possibility that potential voters' problems with GPEW is with things it can't easily fix. I suppose a Marmite leader can be overcome, but dealing with amateurism takes time, and I think more importantly, Omnicause politics is very popular with 15-20% of the electorate and very unpopular with everyone else.

Pingponghavoc · 17/03/2026 22:47

At the moment, Greens seem to be happy getting a very high proportion of omnicause voters and hope everyone else is so disillusioned, they stay at home.

But maybe they know their limited appeal and want to remain a large pressure group, rather than a government?

SionnachRuadh · 17/03/2026 23:45

That's a part of why I think they're more like 2014 vintage Ukip. I don't believe for a second that Hypno wants to be PM, or that anyone in the party thinks they could be part of a national government. I don't think the councillors who are being lined up to be MPs have much idea of what they'd do with national level power. If they were being honest, the point of getting 40 or 50 MPs would be to get on TV more.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/03/2026 01:47

The danger is if they get to be in some sort of coalition government with Labour.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/03/2026 01:47

Hypno could be Nick Clegg to Angela Rayner as PM or something terrible.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 18/03/2026 02:17

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/03/2026 01:47

Hypno could be Nick Clegg to Angela Rayner as PM or something terrible.

We probably need to dive even deeper into the abyss and think "Scotland" in terms of analogies

😱

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/03/2026 03:42

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 18/03/2026 02:17

We probably need to dive even deeper into the abyss and think "Scotland" in terms of analogies

😱

Ugh.

SionnachRuadh · 18/03/2026 08:14

I know we like to laugh at Ed Davey on a space hopper but at least you know you could put Ed in the Cabinet and he wouldn't be totally insane.

NasturtiumsAreUnderrated · 18/03/2026 08:23

Hypnoboobs has been granted the opportunity to speak at the New Economics Foundation today (part of their 40th birthday celebrations). This will be his most high profile presentation of 'Zackonomics'. He's apparently been talking to some very reputable economists, so it'll be interesting to see how credible the package sounds (especially the stuff on wealth/asset taxes) . How it's reported in left-friendly media will be even more interesting as a clue to the extent to which the Hypnoboobs project is starting to move the national political debate - as UKIP was able to do, pushing both Con and LDs into promising a referendum on EU membership (Miliband 's Lab remained more equivocal).

SionnachRuadh · 18/03/2026 08:39

That will be interesting sure enough. Zackonomics at the moment seems mostly to reflect who he last listened to, whether it was Gary Stevenson or Grace Blakeley.

My question is whether he goes full MMT, or whether he'll stick to the "wealth tax on billionaires" that's become the left's version of the right's "bonfire of quangos" (Not that I'm a big fan of the quango state, but almost all of them serve a purpose, and there really aren't enormous easy savings to be made there)

Lalgarh · 18/03/2026 08:45

Grace Blakeley!

"The Margo Ledbetter of class struggle"

He normally tips Richard Murphy as well, wrt: national debt isn't real.

NasturtiumsAreUnderrated · 18/03/2026 09:11

Per the New Statesman, whose reporter on all things GPEW doesn't understand green politics but seems to have good access, Hypnoboobs has been talking to 'Joseph Stiglitz, Mariana Mazzucato, Gabriel Zucman and Ann Pettifor.'

ArabellaSaurus · 18/03/2026 18:42

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 18/03/2026 02:17

We probably need to dive even deeper into the abyss and think "Scotland" in terms of analogies

😱

I am not happy that Scotland is being held up as a warning, here. We've not even started the court cases yet! 😩

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 18/03/2026 22:09

ArabellaSaurus · 18/03/2026 18:42

I am not happy that Scotland is being held up as a warning, here. We've not even started the court cases yet! 😩

Which court cases in particular?

SionnachRuadh · 19/03/2026 17:22

Gove and Maddie discussing Hannah Spencer

Christinapple · 19/03/2026 18:00

A bill put forward by the Greens to ban Greyhound racing in Scotland has passed. In the same week Wales also voted to ban it too. England has no current plans but hopefully the pressure will be put on them to do so now.

I note MSP Ash Regan did not support the ban. Spiteful much?

https://www.parliament.scot/chamber-and-committees/votes-and-motions/S6M-20921

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https://www.parliament.scot/chamber-and-committees/votes-and-motions/S6M-20921

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/03/2026 18:02

You seem very fixated on what Ash Regan does about greyhound racing.

Christinapple · 19/03/2026 18:04

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/03/2026 18:02

You seem very fixated on what Ash Regan does about greyhound racing.

I remember her diatribes about the Greens because her own bill failed at stage 1 around the same time the greyhound racing ban passed its stage 1.