Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 2

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Zack Polanski is making things bigger again.

We need a new thread to discuss all his antics and the ongoing situation in the Green party which is getting more ever more bizarre. While it is getting ever strident in denying biology it also has Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it.

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration,(https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ ) continues and the court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing.

In Bristol the Women of Wessex are causing panic amongst the ruling Green council just by turning up and asking questions. This may result in another court case.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5455053-bristol-council-is-about-to-be-sued

With local elections in May and elections in Wales incoming lots more to discuss and call out.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of Hypno Boobs:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

Agree. He'll style it out. As noted in that article upthread the response even on van banger Reddit is "see how the MSM are desperate to fling mud, ooooh the establishment are rattled". As with Farage

I tend to agree with you. A green wave is coming in May. I mean lets face it as long as you are a man with with decent charisma you can drift through bigger scandals on the populist side. I think the issue of the massive lies is more the growth of a stop Hypnoboobs feeling amongst those who were never that likely to vote that way.

A comparison could be made to the revelations about Biden in 2024.

What is very uncertain is how people might react in a multiparty system and who will benefit.

I mean will it push former Tories reluctantly towards Reform, get non voters to mobilize, revitalize the Tories etc or even reduce the collapse in Labour.

Right now Kemi is the most popular leader according to the polls.

That picture of Polanski! I can't be the only one that sees it!?

It all gets very unpredictable in a multiparty system, but Luke Tryl of More In Common had an interesting tweet the other day about the seven ideological tribes MIC divides the electorate into, and how they've migrated since 2019.

Luke sez:

Luke Tryl
@LukeTryl
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Latest voting intention splits for our segments over the past month. A few things jump out:

• The Greens are now 19 points ahead with Progressive Activists, coming close to getting half the vote with this group, pretty extraordinary for a group that gave Labour 57% in 2019.
• Reform for the first time lead with Traditional Conservatives which is equally extraordinary given Boris Johnson got 85% of them. (Though a smaller group so smaller sample and bigger swings/higher MoE)
• Meanwhile the residual Tory vote appears to be moving 'left'. The only group they lead with are Established Liberals (Cameronite/Blairities are closest proxy), while they've actually gained ground from 2024 among the Incrementalist Left (sort of centrist dad)
• Labour are being kept afloat almost entirely by support among the Incrementalist left.
• Much of Reform's success will be determined by the extent to which they hold on to their lead Rooted Patriots. Dissenting Disruptor Reform voters are more true believers, Rooted Patriots (red wall voters) are very dissatisfied with status quo (cost of living, NHS, migration especially) but also more risk averse. They're the group that currently think 'if it can't get any worse maybe i will roll the dice'. If things improve or Reform appears too risky they'd lose this group first.

Population % PAs 12% ILs 21% ELs 9% SS 10% RPs 20% TCs 8% DDs 20%

Very interesting indeed.

A lot to play for. We will see what happens in May.

I do think though that the Greens Spring Conference as we have discussed many times will also have an impact as there is real potential of more crazy stuff being passed there and it will get publicized.

Kemi being the most popular (or least unpopular; I don't think any politician except Andy Burnham has a net positive rating) is interesting. Pollster Scarlett Maguire says that in her focus groups, voters who are open to voting Tory like her, and voters find her personally quite impressive when shown clips. They just aren't interested in the Conservative Party, which is like that ex who you've stopped hating because you've stopped caring.

Polanski I think is high risk/high reward because he's a break from the Greens being a brand based party with mostly anonymous leaders. He's a quite good media performer and nobody can deny that he's high energy, so lots of people know who he is. I'm not sure how he's going to go down with that Tory > Green electorate in affluent wards who Caroline Lucas used to be good at speaking to.

Also, the thing about being well known is, if you ask people about Farage, the first thing they say is that he's Brexit Man. That might be a positive or a negative, but it's something political and gives him a brand as someone who can take on the establishment. The one thing everyone knows about Polanski is Hypnoboobs, and it makes him look a bit of a clown. Oddly it might make him look less of a clown if he leaned into it and said "yeah this something I did years ago, lots of us do stupid things when we're young, but that's not who I am now". But he genuinely seems rattled by it and defensive whenever it's brought up.

Darren Johnson speaking on Times Radio:

Polanski I think is high risk/high reward because he's a break from the Greens being a brand based party with mostly anonymous leaders.

This is where I remind myself that the last time the Greens had a charismatic leader, it was David Icke.

I wasn't sure if this article belongs here but

https://archive.ph/qiwGc

https://unherd.com/newsroom/poll-reform-uk-is-most-popular-party-among-gay-and-bisexual-men/?edition=us

I admit to being surprised.

The leader of the Referendum Party (after James goldsmith, before Farage was involved, irrc) was Trans woman Nikki Sinclaire.

Of course it's possible that they all fancy David Bull.

There's always been a rich vein of gay men on the Right. Even Stonewall was co-founded by Matthew Parris, who went on to become a Conservative MP.

Purely in terms of aesthetics, Reform are definitely the campest party out there at the moment.

The Greens, though... I don't know, maybe Hannah Spencer will start a trend for Green politicians dressing like the cast of Balamory.

https://www.attitude.co.uk/news/zack-polanski-blames-conservatives-labour-trans-rights-516108/

Zack very kindly sets up a helpful situation for Wes Streeting, who has recently called him an 'oddball'.

Well it's much of a muchness. From the link to the Instagram. he was in his element addressing the GLP fundraiser at Wembley. Its an actor who's found his audience
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVwo7eXiMxh/?l=1

Whether he actually means any of it is another thing altogether

I think he does care about this more than he cares about climate change say.

Luckily if he continues to say and do stupid stuff on gender he will improve the chances of court cases winning.

Hypno being caught out in lies

https://x.com/treesey/status/2031901362301055317

Ha, you certainly get that impression. I don't think he has the first clue or care about anything environmental.

Does anyone else find it odd that the Green Party doesn't talk about the environment any more?

No because they aren't the old Green Party anymore. They have been flooded with activists from various Hard Left/ Pro Pal groups, who have little to no interest in environmentalism. Including Polanski himself.

Hannah Spencer's maiden speech didn't mention the environment once although she did shoehorn in a reference to "my trans siblings who get blamed for everything".

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/12/new-green-mp-calls-for-tolerance-and-inclusivity-in-first-commons-speech

His sole care is his own career.

"I want to look at inequality in this country, I want to look at the things that actually matter, like the ongoing genocide in Gaza”

Is that Gaza-on-Thames?

Ugh, the trans siblings thing. Obviously there are lots of people with literal trans siblings, but the way this has become a stock phrase in left wing politics... it just feels weird and creepy to me. It's got the same infantilising sound as protect the dolls.

Does she really have trans siblings or is this just a turn of phrase?