Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 2

[fromorbit]

Zack Polanski is making things bigger again.

We need a new thread to discuss all his antics and the ongoing situation in the Green party which is getting more ever more bizarre. While it is getting ever strident in denying biology it also has Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it.

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration,(https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ ) continues and the court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing.

In Bristol the Women of Wessex are causing panic amongst the ruling Green council just by turning up and asking questions. This may result in another court case.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5455053-bristol-council-is-about-to-be-sued

With local elections in May and elections in Wales incoming lots more to discuss and call out.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of Hypno Boobs:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

See here from @fromorbit and detective work from @Ereshkigalangcleg

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5484802-gorton-denton-by-election-thread?reply=150453161&utm_campaign=reply&utm_medium=share

Though they seem to have got the wrong user name and the more likely one hasn't really slagged off Manchester at all

Tbf we don’t know what she was saying herself, she withdrew her post. If she wasn’t I’m not sure she would have done that, given that her other posts are still up.

In the bbc tv news report last night, where the reporter spoke to each of the main candidates, he asked Hannah about her previous negative comments about the constituency. She explained them rather than denying them.

Greens to vote on legalising heroin to make society more inclusive

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/716d36a117296741

The article also discusses a motion brought by a TIM to allow trans sports people to take part in sports according to their gender, not their sex.

The sports motion is crazy.

Another motion put forward for consideration at the party’s conference next month would end all blanket bans on transgender athletes in women’s sport.

The motion was tabled by Melissa Harker, a press officer for the LGBTIQA+ Greens pressure group.

Melissa Harker, a Green trans campaigner, is calling for an end to the transgender bans in women's sport
Melissa Harker, a Green trans campaigner, is calling for an end to the transgender bans in women’s sport
Ms Harker’s policy proposal warned that blanket bans have “serious consequences for gender-diverse and global majority [of African, Asian, Latin American and Arab descent] peoples’ mental and physical health”.

It went on to claim that “historical colonial and Eurocentric attitudes” have long affected elite sports and continued to have an impact.

If passed, the motion would be required to call on all sporting bodies to allow trans athletes to compete, working towards a long-term ambition to “undo the toxic environment around trans, intersex and gender non-conforming people in sport”.

The Green rise could be self sabotaged.

https://lgbtiqa.greenparty.org.uk/author/melissa-harker/

Greens profile of the fragrant Melissa

Id like to see Melissa going to Saudi Arabia and tell them that they are campaigning for men to compete against women, not to mention change in the same spaces as them... for their benefit! Or even try and explain why human beings in 'global majority' countries aren't really like 'Western' human beings. What are they saying about people from the Asian, African and Latin American countries that makes them adversely affected by sex segregated sports? That they are more 'butch' than delicate White women? That they have massively high testosterone levels?

Have we had this? Rob Ford on all the misleading leaflets and why he eventually made an official complaint.

Remember our Lawyers are better, but also fighting for the Truth is an advantage. The Green party cases rests on Khelif not being a man which was never true and Khelif himself says so now.

Shahrar Ali

UPDATE in ALI vs GPEW.

There is no escape from justice. This week the Court made an order determining that the Green Party will face trial in Autumn 2026. I am indebted to everybody who has supported me in this, my second claim for unlawful belief discrimination against the Party. The fanatics in the party may think they can heap further injustice upon injustice with impunity - gratuitously persecuting me on substantially the same grounds after losing in the first, landmark case in 2024. But the Green Party and its fanatics will face justice for their spectacularly unhinged discriminatory misconduct. They think they can wear me down, but the very reasons I went into politics mean it is my duty to expose the rot & those who are willfully turning a blind eye to it.

Going to court is never easy. Having to go to court a second time has been forced upon me. Here I stand, I can do no other. I cannot abide by men being celebrated for bashing women around the head in Olympics boxing ring. I cannot abide by evil ideologues dispensing puberty blockers over the internet to unassuming kids and consigning them to irreversible, lifelong harms. I cannot abide by my fellow true Greens being persecuted for speaking out and speaking up in the best tradition of Green politics. This case is for safety, dignity & privacy of women & girls; the bodily integrity of unassuming kids & their protection from a lifetime of brainwashing misery; and the imperative of free speech without which there is no democratic politics worthy of the name. The Green Party may think they have election campaigns to run but they are not fit for public office for all the while they continue to actively perpetrate unlawful discrimination. Justice will prevail. Justice must prevail. Please continue to share and support my crowdfunder. You may think this matter is reaching the courts relatively fast. You would be right. I am being served by exceptionally tenacious legal team and I will not let prevarication and dirty tactics get in my way. I have been here before.

Missed this. And of course the stakes are higher now, this case will be all over the press. As will the evidence re Khelif.

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Green Party activists say Zionism is a form of racism
Members also call to defund the police and put the money towards mental health support
https://archive.is/iIe7J

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Members also call to defund the police and put the money towards mental health support

I don’t know what I despair more about, that the Green Party has moved so far away from environmental issues, which are only ever increasing in scale, or that a wide range of left leaning people are so well intentioned but lack any kind of critical thinking.

What do they think will happen if the UK ‘defunds’ the police?! That they’ll be no more crime?

But I also think it’s precisely because the Green Party leadership lack substantive knowledge on environmental issues that it’s relying on a grab bag of all and any left sounding policies. Which also sounds very American.

There was some grounds for defunding the police in the US as in reducing police budget that are funding some fairly extreme weaponry and surveillance measures, contracts to the likes of Palantir etc. But fgs, not in the UK.

What do they think will happen if the UK ‘defunds’ the police?! That they’ll be no more crime?

It's another American think import. Because the prison system was based on the detention of African Americans in the US and the police there derived from slave catcher gangs the right and progressive thing over there that is advocated is abolition.

During the 2024 UK election Labour were actually pointing out that the coalition had successfully cut police numbers by 20 thousand or so. That's why crime soared and convictions plummeted

It took activists in the US to say that what they actually meant by defund the police was "put more money into social services". The implied thing here is that social workers tend to be more likely to be nice guardian readers and left leaning, and female than those dreadful cops. If the redundant cops suddenly ended up taking on social services caseloads, maybe not so much

The Greens are turning themselves into sitting ducks for the press to (justifiably in this case) tear them apart. They will end up with the most ridiculous mandate to take to voters because they have been flooded with the types of agitators and travellers who have tried the same thing with every vaguely Left Wing party, before destroying them from within and having to be expelled. Polanski is one of them though. He is nothing but an opportunist who saw a way into a party with lax structures to overtake.

What Rainbow said.

Also ditto what Rainbow said.

From Prof Ford: The Greens talk a lot about wanting a more hopeful, less cynical politics. I’m all for that, but I don’t really think the way they have behaved over this is very consistent with that goal.

That might have been the old Green Party, but this new variant is ever bit as cynical as Reform.

'He is nothing but an opportunist who saw a way into a party with lax structures to overtake.'

I dont know that 'lax'is quite the right word. The Greens have scrupulously fair principles. I think its a party founded by very well meaning and dare I say it, kind people. That has created a set up where it's incapable of defending itself from hostile takeover of unscrupulous liars.

I guess this is one thing about utopian idealism - it is very quickly defeated by anyone with less scruples.

See also safeguarding - trying to see the best in everyone and 'be kind' very quickly unravels into spirals and takeovers.

Maybe we need to be more pragmatic about human nature.

Oh I agree. But people who make rules make them because they know people arent all going to behave well, or even that people have different ideas of what is best. If you have an ' every opinion is equal' then you are vulnerable to people with intolerant opinions taking advantage of you. I suppose ZP has taken that philosophy on in his ' abolish nuclear weapons andcthen persuade everyone else to do the same' . They just wont.

Yeah, I think the Greens are the definition of a high-trust environment where everyone assumes everyone else is trustworthy.

Maybe another consequence of tribalism - so focussed on the Right Side and identifying with those on your side and fighting the Other that its almost inconceivable anyone could fake it or be less than a complete convert? Because its about belief and faith and a side, which seems almost divinely ordained, rather than reasoned, open to influence, and subject to change.

Quite. The Green Party have allowed themselves to be overrun by Puritans. These people have always been around, banning Christmas, burning witches at the stake and seeing anyone who disagrees with them as evil.

https://www.attitude.co.uk/news/zack-polanski-keir-starmer-april-uk-supreme-court-ruling-trans-513465/

“So the Supreme Court ruling has been deeply divisive and actually to hear the Prime Minister say that’s what the Supreme Court has decided… That’s not how the Supreme Court works,” he said.