Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 2

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Zack Polanski is making things bigger again.

We need a new thread to discuss all his antics and the ongoing situation in the Green party which is getting more ever more bizarre. While it is getting ever strident in denying biology it also has Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it.

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration,(https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ ) continues and the court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing.

In Bristol the Women of Wessex are causing panic amongst the ruling Green council just by turning up and asking questions. This may result in another court case.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5455053-bristol-council-is-about-to-be-sued

With local elections in May and elections in Wales incoming lots more to discuss and call out.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of Hypno Boobs:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

I agree its a good letter
But ZP is not currently an elected representative is he?
I wonder if that was intentional or just a mistake

Polanski has been getting away with it for months now, on good vibes and his ability to work the media (his acting training and therapy comms skills coming in very handy).
It's time for him to have to start meeting proper resistance and interrogation of his views.
Maybe stuff like this is the start.

He's the elected Leader of the GPEW, though (sadly)

He's a member of the London Assembly still I think? I know it's a Mickey Mouse body but that probably counts.

It will likely be re-tried.

wouldn't they have to bring new evidence or show how the first trial was unfair?

Not necessarily. See here under "Jury cannot reach a verdict or discharged"

www.cps.gov.uk/prosecution-guidance/re-trials

No, because the jury didnt reach a verdict, so they werent found not guilty. They can and should be retried. Or at the very least the GBH charge should be.

No sign that more than a few of the lefties who pride themselves on their superior capacity for empathy and compassion see anything wrong with Polanski's complete disinterest in a woman badly injured in the course of her duties as an officer of the law.

Accidentally exposed myself to a cesspit of leftie anti-semitism yesterday and I was shocked at the intensity of hatred, the zealotry and just how blatant it was. Not bothering with the 'Israel not Jews' fig leaf. I'm horrified that these are people I used to think were broadly (very broadly) on the same side as me.

Apparently there was significant interference with the jury, and also the CPS will likely want to re-try those charges that were found inconclusive. The evidence is all there already, surely? Significant damage and destruction and a police officer with a fractured spine.

Apparently they've been bailed awaiting re-trial.

He never answers a straight question. Saw him on the Laura Kuenssberg show last week. He can't....because he knows if he does his bat-shit ideas would be revealed for all to see.

Argues the failure of Labour is the key reason for Green surge something in that. I do think Polanski's populist Farage style is vital to the rise though.

The Green surge shows British politics has reached a turning point - and it has surprisingly little to do with Zack Polanski | Aditya Chakrabortty

Drop his name and praise flows, but ask why they’ve gone Green and you hear condemnation of the Labour party. Lamb was a Labour member; Lewisham’s two Green councillors defected from Labour, claiming they were “bullied out” for opposing the brutal destruction of Gaza. And every single non-white voter names Palestine as the reason they can no longer back Labour.

While SW1 theorises that the Green surge is down to Polanski, SE4 reality says it’s 99% Starmer.

One resident comes to the door having just read about Shabana Mahmood giving the police facial recognition technology. “As a black man, I don’t feel safe.” A dad pushing a pram talks of how the Labour council has approved a giant block of flats to go up at Lewisham market, of which only a fraction will be for social rent. “They ought to be doing more for the common man.”

I am recounting conversations from just before the latest Epstein file releases, which can only sharpen that sense of disconnect. Because what they show is how at the height of the banking crisis, with Wall Street and the City on public-sector life support, the class of financiers who brought about this disaster were eyeing up billion-dollar deals and fresh assets, whether superyachts or young women. While the rest of us headed into years of immiseration, the filthy rich carried on regardless – and they did so with the willing aid of the centre-left elite, whether Peter Mandelson or the French Socialists or the US Democrats.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/feb/05/green-party-lewisham-zack-polanski-labour

Having had an Anyone-But-The-Tories general election, we're likely to get a series of Anyone-But-Labour elections.

Oh good. Fragmentation between various flavours of Batshit. I'm so looking forward to that.

Apparently the new head of the CBI has said that in the new multi-party era of UK politics it's important to talk to more parties, specifically mentioning RefUK and GPEW.

I'd be interested to know who the Hypnoboobs mob put up to sit down with the CBI (assuming they're not so stupid as to decline the opportunity for dialogue) and I'd love to be a fly on the wall when it happens.

Also posted in the Gorton Denton byelection thread.

Fascinating article. Note that though Polanski breaks his own TWAW rules here by accepting that Muslim Vote endorsement though he hedges a little. Muslim Vote do not "align with our values" they supports MPs who are 100% against TWAW and who split Your Party over it, and they explicitly want religious exemptions in schools to avoid LGBT education too.

We get it Zack men with beards get to say whatever they want and treat women as second class, while women are silenced. The Mothin rule always always applies.

Muslim Voters Could Swing By-Election In Gorton And Denton

Polanski has welcomed the Muslim Vote endorsement, but stressed in an interview with PoliticsHome that voters should be treated as individuals.
“I think any organisation that wants to back the Green Party because they align with our values is something that I applaud and welcome,” he told PoliticsHome.
“I think we also know that whether they're religious groups or any demographic groups, people don't necessarily all vote the same way, and I think it's important that we always treat people as individuals.”
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/muslim-vote-swing-by-election-gorton-denton

However there are signs that the Greens cannot maintain their Muslim guys can do anything stance forever.

As discussed earlier in this thread the crazy upcoming attempt to turn the Greens into an anti Israel party at conference is now causing huge issues.

EXCLUSIVE Green Party is reported to the counter terror police over 'anti-Zionist' elements
The Green Party has been reported to counter-terrorism police by an internal whistleblower.

Fears are growing that the party is becoming a breeding-ground for anti-Jewish extremists.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15551829/amp/Green-Party-counter-terror-police-anti-Zionist.html

I'm glad that the motion has been reported. Anti-semitic comments in the pre-agenda forum were being deleted so frequently that at one point comments had to be turned off so that the volunteer moderators could get a bit of rest.

Anti-semitism is rapidly becoming a bigger problem for the Green Party than it ever was for Labour.

'Backed by the Greens For Palestine group, the ‘Zionism is Racism’ motion calls for the party to declare itself ‘anti-Zionist’ and for the ‘de-proscription of Palestine Action’, but rejects accusations that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitic.

The motion, backed by the party’s deputy leader Mothin Ali, effectively calls for Israel to be replaced by a ‘single democratic Palestinian state in all of historic Palestine, with Jerusalem as its capital’.'

Holy fuck doodle.

A little history I wasn't aware of.

1991

https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/4514/repeal-of-the-zionism-is-racism-resolution

I cant access the motion text directly as its green party members only, this is copy pasted from X from a man who says he supports it:

'@kennardmatt
Lubna Speitan—Palestinian Green Party member and a member of the Greens For Palestine Steering Group—has proposed this important motion for the Spring Conference.

I endorse all of it. It should all be Green Party policy. Basic stuff for a progressive party.

Motion A105: Zionism Is Racism

Calls for:

• The Green Party to declare itself an Anti-Zionist Party
• The Green Party rejects attempts to normalise the racist subjugation and oppression of Palestinians; to equate anti-Zionism with antisemitism; to deny or minimise Palestinian human rights; to create hierarchies of racism; and to normalise or attempt to justify apartheid, ethnic cleansing or genocide.
• To reject the IHRA and JDA definitions which have been weaponized to silence legitimate criticism of the state of Israel.
• Full Boycott and Divestment from Israel.
• The Green Party calls for the release of all Palestinian prisoners of conscience (including Marwan Barghouti)
• The Green Party to declare support for a single democratic Palestinian State with Jerusalem as its capital.
• The Green Party calls for the de-proscription of Palestine Action.
• The Green Party calls for the release of all political prisoners detained for non-violent direct action in support of Palestinian rights'

All the people the Greens are throwing under it, they're going to need a bigger bus.

hmm, the point is surely that the Palestine Action prisoners were NOT non violent, which presumably was why they were proscribed
I really wonder why so many people were prepared to risk arrest (and conviction with all that could entail) in support of what was simply thuggery
its a world away from the NVDA of the peace movement in the 1990s
then people had training so that if a conflict turned violent they could de-escalate and respond without violence

Apparently the Green Gorton candudate slagged off a part of the constituency on mumsnet! How did they find out it was her? Its hardly criminal investigation levels of disclosure.

Special Interest Groups are starting to email members about motions that they recommend them to rank highly or to deprioritise in the prioritisation ballot that's now open.
There are so many motions that many - if not most - won't get heard.

Not surprisingly, Jewish Greens are recommending A117: GPEW support for peacebuilding in Israel and Palestine and asking members to deprioritise motion A105: Zionism is racism.

Wonder how the voting will go. If the anti-Israel people lose I imagine they will go wild.

Previous years the Greens were more sensible, but they have had an influx of crazy.