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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ofcom will now investigate Talk Tv re transphobia.

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Imnobody4 · 04/12/2025 21:33

Here we go again.

From Good Law Project:

We said we’d sue over Ofcom’s decision to dismiss 22,000 complaints about transphobia on TalkTV – now the regulator has caved.

But we had monitored its output for July 2025, a month in which it carried 11 discussions on trans people. And in every discussion, its hosts and guests consistently spouted transphobic views. TalkTV’s stance mirrors the broader editorial position of its sister newspaper The Times, whose toxic and intellectually dishonest campaign against trans people we believe to be a contributor to the rise in hate crime against them.

x.com/JuliaHB1/status/1996576537894703427?t=VgmnlP9LETiwrihlgEkCqA&s=09

Among my misdeeds, apparently, is that I said this on air: "By definition, if you’ve had to get a piece of paper to say that you are a woman, you must accept then that you are man."

I'm happy to be found guilty of defending women's rights and safety, knowing the actual law, understanding basic biology and knowing what a woman is. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 21:52

FallenSloppyDead2 · 07/12/2025 21:51

What cues? How can you tell?

The same way you can . And most people can reliably do starting around the age of about 3.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 07/12/2025 21:53

murasaki · 07/12/2025 21:50

Well exactly, I think Rhino, Rapidonset and I have all had an epiphany.

To be honest, I've been thinking on these lines (everyone is non-binary, and all gender critics are agender) for some time. Though I gather that agender is as poorly defined as asexual, so it's all a bit confusing. My favourite is bigender, though I'm a littleender myself.

FallenSloppyDead2 · 07/12/2025 21:53

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 21:52

The same way you can . And most people can reliably do starting around the age of about 3.

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I can't. I'm completely sex and gender blind. How can YOU tell?

TWETMIRF · 07/12/2025 21:54

I'd offer Flowers for the transphobia you are all experiencing after bravely coming out on this thread but I wouldn't want to make you feel even more invalidated with such a gendered gift. Maybe Cake is more appropriate?

murasaki · 07/12/2025 21:54

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 07/12/2025 21:53

To be honest, I've been thinking on these lines (everyone is non-binary, and all gender critics are agender) for some time. Though I gather that agender is as poorly defined as asexual, so it's all a bit confusing. My favourite is bigender, though I'm a littleender myself.

As a non egg eater I'm aender, but wars have been fought over such things...

FallenSloppyDead2 · 07/12/2025 21:55

TWETMIRF · 07/12/2025 21:54

I'd offer Flowers for the transphobia you are all experiencing after bravely coming out on this thread but I wouldn't want to make you feel even more invalidated with such a gendered gift. Maybe Cake is more appropriate?

Are you calling us fat?

Seethlaw · 07/12/2025 21:55

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 21:52

Being trans isn't something you can think your way in or out of as we have discussed at length on this thread,

The pps are all agender. Literally the only thing separating them from being trans is the claiming of the label - which they have now done. Thus, they are trans.

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 21:55

FallenSloppyDead2 · 07/12/2025 21:53

I can't. I'm completely sex and gender blind. How can YOU tell?

Does it entertain you to goad random people on the internet 🤷🏼‍♀️

murasaki · 07/12/2025 21:55

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 21:52

Being trans isn't something you can think your way in or out of as we have discussed at length on this thread,

Oh I don't know, I thought myself into it this very evening.

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 21:56

Seethlaw · 07/12/2025 21:55

The pps are all agender. Literally the only thing separating them from being trans is the claiming of the label - which they have now done. Thus, they are trans.

No they aren't and no it isn't.
which they all know perfectly well and so do I.

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 21:56

Anyway this is all very childish, and I don't really care for the mumsnet playground.

FallenSloppyDead2 · 07/12/2025 21:56

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 21:55

Does it entertain you to goad random people on the internet 🤷🏼‍♀️

Just asking you to answer a question that you have repeatedly been asked for several hours now

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 07/12/2025 21:57

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 21:55

Does it entertain you to goad random people on the internet 🤷🏼‍♀️

I think it's quite healthy to have a good laugh at the ridiculousness of people (myself very definitely included).

TWETMIRF · 07/12/2025 21:57

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 21:52

Being trans isn't something you can think your way in or out of as we have discussed at length on this thread,

It's not thinking in and out of being trans. You have told us that our definition was incorrect so we are using yours and that has changed things.

If I thought the definition of cat was having wings and a beak and someone taught me that described a bird, I would then stop calling seagulls cats and start calling them birds.

CorvusPurpureus · 07/12/2025 21:58

Sign me up for 'agender person of female biology', please.

Obviously, I wouldn't want my gender identity to encroach on anyone's sex based rights, so I'll be staying out of men's spaces. But I'm definitely trans, according to the Stonewall umbrella.

I can't promise to meet Puppydora's standards of trans gatekeeping, but I seem to be in good company there.

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 21:58

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 07/12/2025 21:57

I think it's quite healthy to have a good laugh at the ridiculousness of people (myself very definitely included).

When it's funny. Most of this isn't . one person said something that was actually funny.

FallenSloppyDead2 · 07/12/2025 21:59

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 21:58

When it's funny. Most of this isn't . one person said something that was actually funny.

Funny ha ha or funny peculiar?

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 07/12/2025 21:59

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 21:58

When it's funny. Most of this isn't . one person said something that was actually funny.

I'm finding it quite hilarious. I don't think it's just the wine talking.

TWETMIRF · 07/12/2025 22:00

FallenSloppyDead2 · 07/12/2025 21:55

Are you calling us fat?

Depends on the definition of fat. It can mean various different things and can only be understood by those who consider themselves fat. <Remembers back to the days when I could see my feet...>

FlirtsWithRhinos · 07/12/2025 22:01

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 21:56

No they aren't and no it isn't.
which they all know perfectly well and so do I.

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Yes I am. I have never read any explanation of a Cisgender Identity including yours that I recognise within my own experience.

I have a female body.

If "woman" is the name for people with such a body then I am a woman.

But you tell me that it is not. If I believe you, I am not a woman, which makes me trans. By your own standards.

As I believe I said to the poster who made the same poor arguments you do on the thread you will not read, your refusal to join the dots of your own thinking and acknowledge where it lead does not mean those dots do not join up.

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:01

TWETMIRF · 07/12/2025 21:57

It's not thinking in and out of being trans. You have told us that our definition was incorrect so we are using yours and that has changed things.

If I thought the definition of cat was having wings and a beak and someone taught me that described a bird, I would then stop calling seagulls cats and start calling them birds.

You are not using my definition.

Being trans is to have a difference related to the brain that causes you to recognise/ perceive yourself to be other than your birth sex. This is persistent/ consistent/
perversive. it isn't affected by reason or logic, it operates at a much more fundamental level of the psyche.

murasaki · 07/12/2025 22:02

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:01

You are not using my definition.

Being trans is to have a difference related to the brain that causes you to recognise/ perceive yourself to be other than your birth sex. This is persistent/ consistent/
perversive. it isn't affected by reason or logic, it operates at a much more fundamental level of the psyche.

Who made you the authority, given that you say you are not trans?

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:02

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 07/12/2025 21:59

I'm finding it quite hilarious. I don't think it's just the wine talking.

Well I'm glad you are enjoying it. There was only one poster who made me genuinely laugh.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 07/12/2025 22:03

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:01

You are not using my definition.

Being trans is to have a difference related to the brain that causes you to recognise/ perceive yourself to be other than your birth sex. This is persistent/ consistent/
perversive. it isn't affected by reason or logic, it operates at a much more fundamental level of the psyche.

Does having "a cognitive/ psychic difference in the brain, such that your perceive / recognise yourself to be other than your birth sex" mean being one sex but with a deep and aching wish you were the other sex, maybe like a blind person has a deep and aching wish to see, or a lonely little girl has a deep and aching wish that she had been born as one of the popular kids instead?

Or is it actually being, in an innate mental way, in ways we don't yet understand, the other sex, implying that sex is not in fact a descriptor of the body but of the mind?

This seems to me to be a fundamental question and yet you, with all your certainty about what being trans is, and all your confidence in telling others they are wrong, have not been able to answer it.

I wonder why not?

Helleofabore · 07/12/2025 22:04

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 07/12/2025 21:53

To be honest, I've been thinking on these lines (everyone is non-binary, and all gender critics are agender) for some time. Though I gather that agender is as poorly defined as asexual, so it's all a bit confusing. My favourite is bigender, though I'm a littleender myself.

We have discussed this over quite a few threads actually.

The thing is, to be agender, always requires us to believe in a theorised structure around identity which was the stumbling block for many of us.

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