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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ofcom will now investigate Talk Tv re transphobia.

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Imnobody4 · 04/12/2025 21:33

Here we go again.

From Good Law Project:

We said we’d sue over Ofcom’s decision to dismiss 22,000 complaints about transphobia on TalkTV – now the regulator has caved.

But we had monitored its output for July 2025, a month in which it carried 11 discussions on trans people. And in every discussion, its hosts and guests consistently spouted transphobic views. TalkTV’s stance mirrors the broader editorial position of its sister newspaper The Times, whose toxic and intellectually dishonest campaign against trans people we believe to be a contributor to the rise in hate crime against them.

x.com/JuliaHB1/status/1996576537894703427?t=VgmnlP9LETiwrihlgEkCqA&s=09

Among my misdeeds, apparently, is that I said this on air: "By definition, if you’ve had to get a piece of paper to say that you are a woman, you must accept then that you are man."

I'm happy to be found guilty of defending women's rights and safety, knowing the actual law, understanding basic biology and knowing what a woman is. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:05

murasaki · 07/12/2025 22:02

Who made you the authority, given that you say you are not trans?

No one. This isn't about me. It has nothing to do with me.

Im just explaining what it is to be trans. Describing it, as it actually is/ exists in the real world. Whatever you or I believe won't change that, because it is what it is.

nicepotoftea · 07/12/2025 22:07

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 21:52

Being trans isn't something you can think your way in or out of as we have discussed at length on this thread,

Have you read much Judith Butler?

murasaki · 07/12/2025 22:07

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:05

No one. This isn't about me. It has nothing to do with me.

Im just explaining what it is to be trans. Describing it, as it actually is/ exists in the real world. Whatever you or I believe won't change that, because it is what it is.

How do you know what it 'actually is' if you are not it?

murasaki · 07/12/2025 22:08

nicepotoftea · 07/12/2025 22:07

Have you read much Judith Butler?

Edited

I'm getting a football chant vibe.

She's just a shit Judith Butler
Shit Judith Buuuuuutler
She's just a shit Judith Butler

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:09

murasaki · 07/12/2025 22:07

How do you know what it 'actually is' if you are not it?

Do you think the only way to know what something is , is to be it yourself?

The world wouldn't function very well if that principle were to hold..

FallenSloppyDead2 · 07/12/2025 22:09

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:05

No one. This isn't about me. It has nothing to do with me.

Im just explaining what it is to be trans. Describing it, as it actually is/ exists in the real world. Whatever you or I believe won't change that, because it is what it is.

I'm going to have to ask. Puppy, are you an autistic person?

murasaki · 07/12/2025 22:10

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:09

Do you think the only way to know what something is , is to be it yourself?

The world wouldn't function very well if that principle were to hold..

That works fine for actual things. Not nebulous concepts.

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:11

murasaki · 07/12/2025 22:10

That works fine for actual things. Not nebulous concepts.

Are you saying being trans is not an actual thing but a nebulous concept?

you might take note, @Helleofabore given your claims earlier in the thread.

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:12

murasaki · 07/12/2025 22:10

That works fine for actual things. Not nebulous concepts.

I shall be saving this one for the next pp who insists that no one is claiming being trans isn't a real thing,

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:12

FallenSloppyDead2 · 07/12/2025 22:09

I'm going to have to ask. Puppy, are you an autistic person?

Why are you going to have to ask?

nicepotoftea · 07/12/2025 22:12

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 21:43

🙄

It's just logical conclusion of what you have argued, if sex is unknowable.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 07/12/2025 22:13

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:01

You are not using my definition.

Being trans is to have a difference related to the brain that causes you to recognise/ perceive yourself to be other than your birth sex. This is persistent/ consistent/
perversive. it isn't affected by reason or logic, it operates at a much more fundamental level of the psyche.

Then it's interesting that there was no mention or indication of such self-perception as a woman (or girl) in my son's childhood. Only when he started socialising in trans circles did this perception emerge. I find it a much more convincing hypothesis that it is his (diagnosed) autism manifesting itself – perhaps an explanation for his difference from what society expects him to be as a man. From being genuinely non-conforming in presentation, he has gone to an almost entirely stereotypical presentation in tasteful female-coded attire. It quite suits him, but there are danger signals that he may be on a path that trans activist expectations are pushing or pulling him along. And he has bought into the ideological requirements that everyone must use the language he expects, and not mention any heretical alternative understanding of sex and gender.

I hope you meant "pervasive", by the way. Perversive is uncomfortably close to perverse.

nicepotoftea · 07/12/2025 22:14

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:12

I shall be saving this one for the next pp who insists that no one is claiming being trans isn't a real thing,

As far as I can tell, it's you that is undermining the idea of 'trans', first and foremost because you don't think it's possible to define sex.

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:14

nicepotoftea · 07/12/2025 22:12

It's just logical conclusion of what you have argued, if sex is unknowable.

I don't think sex is "unknowable".

CorvusPurpureus · 07/12/2025 22:15

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:05

No one. This isn't about me. It has nothing to do with me.

Im just explaining what it is to be trans. Describing it, as it actually is/ exists in the real world. Whatever you or I believe won't change that, because it is what it is.

But you have no mandate that anyone can see TO 'explain' something that a) you can't coherently, well, explain b) actual trans people are patiently pointing out to you isn't their experience & c) you are incapable of refuting alleged 'false positives' for - ie. those of us on this thread saying ok, that includes me, then.

Honestly - you just don't have credibility.

FallenSloppyDead2 · 07/12/2025 22:16

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:12

Why are you going to have to ask?

Because it is an intrusive question, but it would also explain a lot of the difficulty we are having communicating with you, and if that is because you are autistic then I think, on balance, the question is worth asking.

nicepotoftea · 07/12/2025 22:18

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:14

I don't think sex is "unknowable".

How can one know one's sex if one doesn't know how to define sex?

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:20

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 07/12/2025 22:13

Then it's interesting that there was no mention or indication of such self-perception as a woman (or girl) in my son's childhood. Only when he started socialising in trans circles did this perception emerge. I find it a much more convincing hypothesis that it is his (diagnosed) autism manifesting itself – perhaps an explanation for his difference from what society expects him to be as a man. From being genuinely non-conforming in presentation, he has gone to an almost entirely stereotypical presentation in tasteful female-coded attire. It quite suits him, but there are danger signals that he may be on a path that trans activist expectations are pushing or pulling him along. And he has bought into the ideological requirements that everyone must use the language he expects, and not mention any heretical alternative understanding of sex and gender.

I hope you meant "pervasive", by the way. Perversive is uncomfortably close to perverse.

Sorry yes I meant pervasive.

That's interesting what you say about your son. It may be that he didn't have the words or labels for it in early childhood; or that he was feeling things he wasn't sharing. Have you asked him?
Or of course it could be a phase that he is exploring because, as you say he's been influenced by peers.
What age was he when he started this?

Helleofabore · 07/12/2025 22:20

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:05

No one. This isn't about me. It has nothing to do with me.

Im just explaining what it is to be trans. Describing it, as it actually is/ exists in the real world. Whatever you or I believe won't change that, because it is what it is.

And where have your sourced your information about what being trans is?

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:23

Helleofabore · 07/12/2025 22:20

And where have your sourced your information about what being trans is?

Primarily from empirical observation.

FallenSloppyDead2 · 07/12/2025 22:25

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:23

Primarily from empirical observation.

Of people's inner gender identity?

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:27

nicepotoftea · 07/12/2025 22:18

How can one know one's sex if one doesn't know how to define sex?

I said I do not have a singular, exhaustive definition of sex. That doesn't mean that sex is therefore "unknowable".

we all know what gravity is, and yet we still don't have a complete theory of gravity!

Helleofabore · 07/12/2025 22:28

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:23

Primarily from empirical observation.

So your personal observation?

Yet you argue that your view is the only one that is accurate and acceptable? Remarkable.

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:29

FallenSloppyDead2 · 07/12/2025 22:25

Of people's inner gender identity?

fair - "observation" is not the best word. Gathering of empirical evidence, or as a pp said earlier "data points".

puppymaddness · 07/12/2025 22:30

Helleofabore · 07/12/2025 22:28

So your personal observation?

Yet you argue that your view is the only one that is accurate and acceptable? Remarkable.

It's not about me or my view. This isn't something that I have invented.

Im simply describing what it is to be trans. as it actually is; in the real world.

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