Ofcom will now investigate Talk Tv re transphobia.

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Here we go again.

From Good Law Project:

We said we’d sue over Ofcom’s decision to dismiss 22,000 complaints about transphobia on TalkTV – now the regulator has caved.

But we had monitored its output for July 2025, a month in which it carried 11 discussions on trans people. And in every discussion, its hosts and guests consistently spouted transphobic views. TalkTV’s stance mirrors the broader editorial position of its sister newspaper The Times, whose toxic and intellectually dishonest campaign against trans people we believe to be a contributor to the rise in hate crime against them.

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Among my misdeeds, apparently, is that I said this on air: "By definition, if you’ve had to get a piece of paper to say that you are a woman, you must accept then that you are man."

I'm happy to be found guilty of defending women's rights and safety, knowing the actual law, understanding basic biology and knowing what a woman is. 🤷🏻‍♀️

But don’t the TRAs tell us thst it’s no biggie to use “they” as a pronoun. Why automatically revert to “she”? As an ally to the trans community, shouldn’t you be putting in the small amount of effort to use someone’s preferred pronouns? Tut tut.

@Namelessnelly Weren’t they the one minimising a rape survivors trauma or am I getting my TRAs mixed up. Either way they were an absolute dickhead.

Yes, that was utterly, utterly shameful. Prioritising a man's desire to cross women's boundaries over a rape survivor's overwhelming need to maintain them

It would be fascinating to find out for each of us whether we are actually trans or not. Does my brain have the markers that would mean I am trans? I have no idea. Like many others, I know what sex I am (my reproductive role has been absolutely clear for some decades) but I really don't know my "gender".

I never lied . Nor did I ever claim there is a trans brain.

Anyway, I have no need to defend myself from bollox accusations.

Exactly. It’d be a great step forward for the trabs community. And we’d all know where our genders are. I think it’s somewhere between my 3rd and 4th vertebrae but I’m not sure.

As an ally to the trans community, shouldn’t you be putting in the small amount of effort to use someone’s preferred pronouns?

Yes. Which is why I asked her what they were. The response was "she" or "they" , she doesn't care,

I'm open to your explanation of where I went wrong interpreting the facts. But that explanation, obviously, must remain based on the facts and not include beliefs.

Oh yes. I got that vibe too. Some of the phrases used are jarringly similar. I think Tandora left the boards in shame after repeatedly telling a rape survivor her trauma wasn’t as important as that of a male with a trans identity being told no, and mocking and scolding other trauma survivors. Then lying about it and getting upset when people posted screenshots of the abuse. It was a wild ride.

So why default to “she”? Why not use “they”? Surely thst would be more respectful?

Isn't that what we've been doing this entire thread?

Yesterday the conversation was mainly a disagreement about definitions / theorisations about "female/ woman" etc . You have a gender critical (or what you call "sex realist") perspective/ framework for making sense of these terms, which I do not find theoretically coherent or capable of capturing/ describing the true facts/ realities of sex/ gender.

Today we have got into more of a conversation about science/ neuroscience and psychology,

Ah, there's been a misunderstanding then. What I said was:

"I'm a trans man; use whatever pronouns you feel most comfortable using. Some people here use she, some use they; none of it bothers me, as all of them reflect an aspect of my lived reality."

I assumed that "I'm a trans man" would inform you (specifically you, as a TRA), that my preferred pronoun is he. I only mentioned what others use to explain why I don't protest when they don't use he. Sorry I wasn't clearer.

Why do you think "they" is more respectful?

I asked Seethlaw and she said both are received as equally respectful so I resorted to she as it's linguistically easier:

Why are you struggling with this?

Thank you, that does seem to be a defensible position. It's interesting that you have chosen "she" rather than "he". I agree that sex-based pronouns are easier linguistically. For a while, I used gender-identity-based pronouns when told to do so, but discovered that referring to my son as "she" was not only more difficult linguistically, but caused me to be unable to function normally. The cognitive dissonance overwhelmed my thought processes and I ground to a halt. The distress is real and excruciating; I imagine stroke patients experience something similar if they are unable to communicate.

So go on, explain how we are getting the definitions of the sexes wrong. My betting is you’re going to co-opt people with DSD or waffle on about chromosomes. I mean, as I said, other posters tried this and got their arses handed to them but I’m sure you’ll do better than that.

The actual response was this.Seethlaw said other people use she/they not that you should use them

I'm a trans man; use whatever pronouns you feel most comfortable using. Some people here use she, some use they; none of it bothers me, as all of them reflect an aspect of my lived reality.

Oh I do apologise!!!

I didn't understand that at all from what you said: i will use he in that case x

There's nothing theoretical about the words "female" and "woman". On the contrary, they are based exclusively in actual, biological facts. You are the one arguing for the theorisation of a term which has always only referred to a biological reality.

I would guess that the lack of definition of 'trans' makes medical analysis difficult.

Are you testing for gender dysphoria, or are you testing people who were heavily influenced by Julia Butler and now want to push the boundaries of gender?

No problem. I can see how it was confusing. And thank you.

On the contrary, they are based exclusively in actual, biological facts.

Yes, this is your view, which I do not agree reflect the actual facts.

You have a gender critical (or what you call "sex realist") perspective

At this point it's not a 'gender critical perspective'. It's UK law.

You might as well argue that the 70 mile an hour speed limit is just a perspective because who really understands time?

How is it a view?

It is a fact that 51% of the population is composed of human beings whose body is geared (successfully or not) towards producing large gametes.

It is a fact that this part of the population has always been called "female", "women and girls".

There's no interpretation in this, only facts.

So what are the actual facts?

Ah, the 'found behind a gooseberry bush' approach to reproduction - or are you more a of a storkist?

Nooo isn’t it cabbage patch? I’m sure my Nan used to say babies were found under cabbages….