Open Letter to Dr Hilary Cass

[Sexnotgendah]

Cass did great work but this puberty blocker trial is a huge mistake
https://genspect.org/an-open-letter-from-genspect-to-dr-hilary-cass/

Can you read? I explained that I was talking about early childhood

You were upset you couldn't develop friendships with adult women, when you were a child?

What do you mean by "their identity"?

I was one of those transgender children and yet I'm absolutely horrified and depressed that any adult out there should consider it acceptable to medically treat possible trans children. My opinion is that adults' responsibility is to help those children reach adulthood in the best possible mental and physical health, at which point they can make those decisions for themselves, as adults, with a much better understanding of the consequences.

Would I have wanted to be allowed to medically transition as a pre-pubescent child? Of course! But was I in any place to properly understand the ins and outs of such a decision? Absolutely not. No child is, by definition, and that's why adults must protect them.

At this point I think you’re being deliberately obtuse. You know I was talking about being friends with girls as a child.

I have literally never considered 'wanting deeper relationships with women'.

I mean, maybe that's just me, but that in itself seems really off. I'm trying to imagine any of my female friends coming out with that and... Er, no.

They're not my words, they're yours.

At this point, I think you're backtracking at a rate of knots, in order that you don't look like you transitioned to access women and then lied to them about your sex.

*There was also a social element about not being able to develop deeper friendships with women

Quite.

As a pp said, it's as if women aren't seen as individuals. Not human. Not real. Just a massive blob of provision for certain men.

I’ve explained what I actually meant to say. If you want to ignore that or choose not to believe me that’s up to you, but I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt.

I disagree it's an explanation.

It's a backtracking. Developing deeper relationships with women as a child is odd.

it's not a lot better wanting to develop deeper relationships with girls and thinking you have to pretend to be one in order to do it.

Girls and women are a not service.

You still don't see the sexism.

You have totally bought in to the stereotypes. So much so that you think you actually have to change your sex in order to inhabit them

You're talking to feminists, here. The elimination of detrimental stereotyping in women is a cornerstone of feminism.

Men can, and do, knit, bake, wear make up. I'd ask you exactly what stereotypes you were attracted to, but you won't tell me, because now the sexism has been exposed.

I said that in the context of what I felt as a child with dysphoria. At the time it seemed like female friendships were much deeper than male friendships.

Is it possible that your issue was that you were a sensitive boy seeking deeper friendships, and because you were a child who - in the scheme of things - knew sweet FA about anything like all other children, thought that the answer was to become a girl?

[The above paragraph assumes for one moment that the whole backstory is not one that you have, consciously or sub-consciously, created as an adult to cover the tracks of your adult sexual motivations]

Getting rid of these stereotypes is a good thing. I would’ve had a much happier childhood if there were no stereotypes and I could’ve done the things I liked instead of hiding what I wanted to avoid being shamed and bullied

If getting rid of stereotypes is a good thing then one could make a very strong argument that transgenderism - relying as it does entirely on regressive sex-based stereotypes - is something you should support ending.

When did you first come across / think of the idea that you self-perception with regards stereotypes was more important than reality?

Bugger, how did I manage to miss off the other link? Sorry!
Atlantic article:

Trans ideology upholds sexism. That's what it does. It's cements in gender stereotypes.

All the little boys who couldn't wear tutus, all the girls who were butch, or became same sex attracted.

And yet trans idealogues claim that trying to show this to children, and undo all the hopelessly sexist propaganda they've been taught, is conversion therapy.

is something you should support ending

it's a head scratcher, because crafty called it conversion therapy a minute ago

Men can't have 'deeper friendships' with women?!

I understand why you might think it’s a concocted backstory with the horrible stories you hear. I won’t be able to convince you either way, but I have tried to come to this discussion with honesty.

Is it possible that your issue was that you were a sensitive boy seeking deeper friendships, and because you were a child who - in the scheme of things - knew sweet FA about anything like all other children, thought that the answer was to become a girl?
I was a very sensitive child and didn’t fit in with the boys so it is possible that’s why I thought I should’ve been a girl. I did also experience a lot of distress about how I was developing male secondary characteristics so there was also a body component. Deciding to transition wasn’t a rash decision. I managed to avoid it until my early 20s, but I was incredibly depressed about it by this point, so I decided to do it. I honestly don’t know if it was the right decision or if I could’ve eventually learned to been happy as a man, but I will say my life is a lot better now and I’m much happier

I take it you stay out of women's spaces, ByCraftyMaker.

Most situations I don't think it matters if you are male or female.

The cashier in Tesco doesn't care as long as you can pay for your purchases.

The traffic warden about to ticket your car doesn't care as long as you move your car in the next 15 seconds.

But in other circumstances where it actually matters, for example getting medical treatment, being invited to a woman's book group, potentially having a relationship with someone then it fundamentally matters that you be truthful.

Crafty said yesterday that Crafty attended a woman's book club after Crafty's friend, who Crafty has never discussed the fact that Crafty is a man with, invited Crafty.

I see. Just noting that any male who uses women's spaces is transgressing, disregarding women's boundaries, and often leading to women self excluding from groups/spaces/events that were set up for women.

It's wrong. Women need their stuff.

Women generally won't say so to your face, either because we are socialised to 'be kind', or because we are afraid.

But we are not happy with it, and we do not consent.

The notion of 'stealth' is precisely 'deception'.

Lying is wrong. Ignoring women's boundaries is wrong. Cheating is wrong. Deceiving people is wrong.

Concealing the fact that you are male is not the same as not admitting you are gay.

As pp points out, it is regarded as so important that concealing that fact in a sexual relationship is a crime - rape by deception.