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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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WolfWolfieWolf · 28/11/2025 10:27

Patriarchy

FuckOffMadison · 28/11/2025 11:07

Poor, poor girl. So badly let down by everyone. I wonder who lied so they stopped monitoring her.
Before her death, Ryan was being monitored by the police and was given protection, but that was ended prior to her murder.

It has been estimated that cops in the Netherlands provide heavy protection to at least five women per year at risk of honour killings.
Oh for fucking fucks sake. If they really hate the westernised way of living then why are the living in the western world? Oh yes, because it improves the mens lives , but fuck the womenfolk they can't be allowed the same improvement can they 😠

LadyDanburysHat · 28/11/2025 11:13

The living in the western world and not wanting liking the western way of living is so frutrating.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 28/11/2025 11:25

I do wish newspapers would stop using the term 'honour killing' (even if they do put honour in quotes) and refer to it as premeditated or cold-blooded murder - which is exactly what it is. 😡

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 28/11/2025 11:36

Rest easy, Ryan.

Bless her heart, that’s brought tears to my eyes.

lechiffre55 · 28/11/2025 11:52

The irony of her killing is that they murdered her because out of the family she was the one that integrated into western values the most. They murdered her because of her Western behaviour.

@TwoLeftSocksWithHoles
I get what you're saying, and I feel wierd using the words both 'honour' and 'killing'. It's a fukking premeditated murder, call it that. The 'honour' bit I think should be left in for context. I don't think there's anything at all ever remotely honourable about murdering a female family member, but leaving the word 'honour' there highlights starkly a cultural difference that goes directly against the cultural enrichment narrative. There is nothing at all even remotely enriching about murdering women because you disagree with the way they choose to live their lives.
I'd like to see all those men hang for what they did. Lets see how 'honourable' you feel dangling from a noose. I would happily be the one that pulls the lever to the drop.

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ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 28/11/2025 11:59

lechiffre55 · 28/11/2025 11:52

The irony of her killing is that they murdered her because out of the family she was the one that integrated into western values the most. They murdered her because of her Western behaviour.

@TwoLeftSocksWithHoles
I get what you're saying, and I feel wierd using the words both 'honour' and 'killing'. It's a fukking premeditated murder, call it that. The 'honour' bit I think should be left in for context. I don't think there's anything at all ever remotely honourable about murdering a female family member, but leaving the word 'honour' there highlights starkly a cultural difference that goes directly against the cultural enrichment narrative. There is nothing at all even remotely enriching about murdering women because you disagree with the way they choose to live their lives.
I'd like to see all those men hang for what they did. Lets see how 'honourable' you feel dangling from a noose. I would happily be the one that pulls the lever to the drop.

‘Western for me, not for thee’ is the case for these men.

logiccalls · 28/11/2025 14:17

Females are not real people, in the minds of virtually all males. There is statistical evidence.. E.g. When asked to vote for a fellow student, boys "couldn't" vote at all if there was no male candidate. Adult males feel the same about female politicians: It isn't impossible to vote for them, but far easier and 'more natural' to vote for a fellow male.

A giant survey in Canada discovered that male orthopaedic surgeons prioritised other males, so males got quicker and better treatment than female patients. Meanwhile, the female surgeons' results and records proved no bias at all.

The woman who was dumped, with the kids, when her husband found another woman, and who resented it, used the only method of revenge available to her, when she poisoned some in-laws in Australia: That single case got worldwide, obsessive, attention. Meanwhile, every day and in every country, men kill women for daring to leave them. It is so commonplace nobody bothers toremark upon it. i.e. She was his possession, and had no right to escape her owner.

And, for males, there are hundreds of ways to kill females, including bare hands. They can and do use poison, in roughly the same numbers as women do, but for women, their 'role' is to prepare and serve food to their owners and the children of their owners, so it is deeply disturbing to the 'correct' world view, if even one uppity women thinks she can deny her proper duties and obligations.

A lot of the hostility to women having reproductive control comes from the same standardised world view. that males have autonomy, and females have servility.

YYURYYUCICYYUR4ME · 28/11/2025 14:22

It is about male power and there is not, nor has there ever been honour in it. Control, power, domination is the reason and we need to change the language around this form of murder and deal with the cultural behaviour!

KitWyn · 28/11/2025 14:30

A colleague once told me that in her home country's culture, men are seen as being made of gold, and women of silver.

If a man falls into the dirt, even deeply and for a long time, he can pick himself up. Quick rub down with a cloth and he is shiny, beautiful and valuable again. A woman who falls into the dirt, even if it is only very briefly, will be forever tarnished and soiled. She will never be truly clean again.

And that's why I'm in the UK she explained.

localnotail · 28/11/2025 14:52

Poor baby. RIP

ErrolTheDragon · 28/11/2025 14:57

Poor girl. What an utterly horrible, cowardly way to kill her. It’s a shame killing - those men should be deeply ashamed of themselves for what they’ve done.
Patriarchal societies are crap in all sorts of ways but one which calls the abuse and murder of defenceless women and girls a matter of ‘honour’ is as base and shameful as it comes.

Changingplace · 28/11/2025 15:03

This is heartbreaking, poor girl, I hope they rot in prison and that her father doesn’t escape justice by running away.

Why live in a western country if you don’t want to live by western values? It’s just hideous.

giddyboo · 28/11/2025 15:09

LadyDanburysHat · 28/11/2025 11:13

The living in the western world and not wanting liking the western way of living is so frutrating.

I wonder whether with a lot of them they grow up in the west and see the freedoms we have and get frustrated and angry that they cant have the same.
I know quite a few that lead double lives so have to appear overly zealous to cover it up.
Maybe this leads to the hate of western society. Cant join us so destroy us attitude?

Slinketypokey · 28/11/2025 15:56

Terrible.

Though to answer your question - it isn't always / just women who get killed in these circumstances. Gay men can be victims also, though not widely reported in the west. Definitely a thing in many countries.

lechiffre55 · 28/11/2025 16:57

@Slinketypokey
Do the gay men murders also get called honour killings?

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ErrolTheDragon · 28/11/2025 17:05

lechiffre55 · 28/11/2025 16:57

@Slinketypokey
Do the gay men murders also get called honour killings?

I think so. Also various other ‘crimes’ such as apostasy or being disabled.
but the vast majority are femicides. So, not ‘always’ women but mostly.

ArabellaSaurus · 28/11/2025 17:08

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 28/11/2025 11:25

I do wish newspapers would stop using the term 'honour killing' (even if they do put honour in quotes) and refer to it as premeditated or cold-blooded murder - which is exactly what it is. 😡

Yes.

Abuse and violent murder. Of a girl with a whole life ahead of her.

The utter bastards. I hope they are jailed for a long time.

RIP, Ryan. Flowers

MakeMeAnOffer · 28/11/2025 17:09

How do we live in a world where this happens in Western societies?

By having substantial immigration from societies where it is commonplace, with promotion of multiculturalism, and immigration at a level where people do not integrate into Western society. But suggest that this may not be a good idea and you will be called a racist or worse, so I suppose we should all just express our horror instead.

lechiffre55 · 28/11/2025 17:10

ErrolTheDragon · 28/11/2025 17:05

I think so. Also various other ‘crimes’ such as apostasy or being disabled.
but the vast majority are femicides. So, not ‘always’ women but mostly.

Being disabled is a reason for an honour killing???
Not arguing with you, just that blows my mind. Mind you if being a female with her own mind is worthy, then why shouldn't being disabled be?

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Doggielovecharlotte · 28/11/2025 17:10

Yes patriarchy and seeing women as property that need ruling over

Linenpickle · 28/11/2025 17:11

You mean murder….

Doggielovecharlotte · 28/11/2025 17:12

I wouldn’t call them honour killings as that misrepresents them

they are straight up plain as day MURDERS

lechiffre55 · 28/11/2025 17:16

The phrase honour killing is a reference to a very specific thing. That the phrase is inaccurate and feels very excusey in nature does not mean we cannot use it to refer to honour killings. Because that's what the people who commit them call them. I am preserving cultural context to criticise it.

If you read up stream it was me who's been using the word murder a lot and first. Do not attempt to police my language.

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ArabellaSaurus · 28/11/2025 17:16

https://karmanirvana.org.uk/get-help/about-honour-based-abuse/

'Research suggests that at least one ‘honour’ killing occurs in the UK every month (and this is likely to be an underestimate)'

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/honour-based-abuse-crackdown-in-raft-of-new-measures

'Victims and survivors of ‘honour’-based abuse will be kept safer and more perpetrators brought to justice in a raft of new measures, as part of the government’s pledge to halve violence against women and girls and the Plan for Change.
New statutory guidance and a legal definition of ‘honour’-based abuse will be brought in to help the police, social workers and others better support victims and make clear that frontline staff must take these crimes seriously. It will also help stop vital information, which could hold perpetrators to account in a criminal trial, from falling through the cracks.
On top of the new guidance, the National Centre for Violence Against Women and Girls (VAWG) will work with the police to improve how officers assess the risks posed by ‘honour’-based abuse offenders, so they can step in and support victims as soon as possible. This year, that work will focus on identifying challenges alongside what works to identify areas for improvement.
To unearth the full scale of ‘honour’-based abuse, the Home Office will pilot a prevalence study looking at how widespread this crime is, and a community awareness campaign will be launched to encourage victims to come forward.'

About Honour Based Abuse - Karma Nirvana

Honour Based Abuse is widely misunderstood, meaning that hundreds of victims are not being helped and perpetrators are escaping justice.

https://karmanirvana.org.uk/get-help/about-honour-based-abuse/

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