What is Riley Gaines hiding? We investigated…

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This podcast appeared in my feed today via an affiliated show… I know it is naive but it’s still hard to believe how blinkered - and unbearably smug the US liberal wing is on this. This is rubbish ( from the ‘Center for Investigative Reporting’, which I now wouldn’t trust to tell me if it was raining), but still enlightening… wondered if anyone else had heard it.

A six month dig to discredit Gaines - we’re not supposed to notice that everyone they’re trying to gotcha in this won’t dignify any of it - that finds her hiding (spoiler alert) nothing?

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/reveal/id886009669?i=1000738472306

How dare a feminist make money while advocating for womens rights! Don't wimmin know they should only advocate for womens rights when dirt poor and not making any money from it?

How dare a woman suss out a man and verify that suspicion! Damn wimmin, doing due diligence is STALKING I tell you! Not the fact I f'cked up by using my real surname in my handle and also use the same one for an insta account. Dumb mistake by me but how dare wimmin check it out and find me out!

And yet… all the threads concern women’s rights in some form. Whereas you seem more concerned with denigrating women and shoehorning men into female spaces? Why do you hate women so much? Who hurt you?

How does a female person use a towel to hide while having to spend 30-45 minutes getting into competitive swim gear?

I remember hearing Paula describe how they get into their competition gear with having to wiggle around for up to 45 minutes. I know competitive swimmers and they have confirmed this.

To double down on ‘he wore a towel - nothing to see here’ seems to be some misinformed thinking.

It is completely fundamental to their whole ‘investigation’, and there in how they wholeheartedly commit to the pretence of Lia Thomas being a woman no different to the rest of the team. The whole podcast drips with disdain for Gaines.

They wouldn’t care if they truly believed it was one woman being mean to another. They only care because it is a woman saying no to a man.

He not she William/Lia Thompson is a man not a woman and he was watching young women get changed into and out of their swimming costumes and no i dont believe he was always covered up or in the corner.
Its funny how these abusive men always claim to be in the corner watching the wall when we all know thats bs as nobody behaves that way in a changing room.
Men who use the female facilities belong in jail as the predatory sex offenders that they are
Edited to remove a random m auto correct added to lia I guess that even my auto correct knows he's a man

Feminism is a political practice of fighting male supremacy on behalf of women as a class, including all the women you don't like, including all the women you don't want to be around, including all the women who used to be your best friends whom you don't want anything to do with anymore. It doesn't matter who the individual women are.

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Why would a man who demands the right to change in a woman’s changing room suddenly be all coy when he is in there? If he thinks he can demand everyone pretend he is a woman then why would we believe he doesn’t fully embrace that and strip off in front women? Of course he would! If he was concerned at seeing/being seen he would have asked for another space to change

Again, there were no statements made to the effect of LT's entitlement to change in the women's change room & they explicitly said they were not going to comment on that issue.

And in any case, whether LT is entitled to be there or not is irrelevant to the point of Gaines initial version of events changing & how that may have been influenced by monetisation in politics.

I do agree they are disdainful of Gaines & use a mocking tone but given the accompanying evidence, it's hardly not warranted.

Yeah… I have never written it ‘howse it goin’’ either. That seems to be wrong. Maybe it is a new thing??? A regional difference?? To claim it is a common usage for Australians is rather far fetched.

I think the issue was that a man was in the female changing room. It was an issue as (according to the young women there) he was exposing his genitals, and gawking at them when they were naked. This is exposure and voyeurism, which are sex offences, and apparently a loophole had been created whereby men were facilitated to inflict it on the women in this situation.

It could take up to 20 minutes to change into those swimming costumes. I think those young women must feel quite abused to have been put in that situation. All involved in doing that to them should be accessories to sex offences. Men shoudn’t get away with flashing and peeping, nor should those who enable them to do that.

Now whos reaching 🤣🤣
Accept it you are wrong and seem determined to excuse a predatory male using the female changing facilities why is that?

Amused at sighting evidence. Yes the penis belonging to Lia Thomas was indeed sighted.

This is false. There's no evidence of the claim of exposure as has been shown upthread.

"It could take up to 20 minutes to change into those swimming costumes. "

Lol.

Not commenting is an absolute cop out from them, lest they say the wrong thing and get cancelled. They did refer to Gaines ‘misgendering’ and equated her objection to Thomas being a complete volte face to previous support of a lesbian teammate. They are not mutually exclusive things.

They don’t like her, Trump or where she gets her money. So what. Again, she isn’t ‘hiding’ anything and it simply isn’t the ‘gotcha’ they think it is.

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So everyone agrees a full grown intact man was in the changing rooms with women...and you think it's a gotcha to say but only one of them saw his cock?? 🤣🤣

Men don't belong in women's changing rooms. It really doesn't help your cause to try to play it down and smear the women protesting. It doesn't matter what the women's politics or religion is. HTH.

@Howseitgoin under what circumstances do you feel it is acceptable to make women get naked in front of a male they don’t want to see them naked?

List them out for me, when in your opinion is it acceptable to tell women that they have to strip off in front of a man or they are bigots ?

I mean, it is fucking hilarious. posters are talking about getting IN to competitive swim gear and we get shit fed to us about getting OUT of competitive swim gear.

But apparently, this is not bad faith engagement.

What is exceedingly strange is people (mainly howse) saying it's fine for a man to be undressed in front of women in a single sex space because he didn't expose his penis.

He shouldn't have even been there. End of. It doesn't matter if Gaines is right wing or purple or was a criminal. SHE was forced to change in front of a MAN whilst in a supposedly protected space. Men need to fuck off out of those spaces, dressed or undressed.

Howse thinks that a man can change discretely in a changing room full of women trying to get into competition swimsuits.

Howse knows little about women or competitive swimming. I wouldn’t care if the man in the room was wearing a towel while I took off all my clothes and wrestled my way into my costume.

Howse lives to be humiliated on these threads. He revels in the irritation of women who don’t want him here. 🤔

The thing also is, if I remember correctly, that Paula Scanlon described how to get into competitive swim gear, and seeing Thomas naked while TESTIFYING at a congressional committee hearing.

Let me see if I can find the clip or the tweet.

And didn’t a group of women hint that Thomas had an arousal reaction while in that changing room too? Because a group all agreed he was attracted to female people due to what they witnessed seeing. It was in a group video discussion.

"Not commenting is an absolute cop out from them, lest they say the wrong thing and get cancelled."

Commenting on such issues are podcasts in of themselves so its hardly practical not to mention if the people want to tune in on 'money in politics' or the 'lies of Riley Gaines' they are hardly doing so for a discussion on the ethics of change rooms.

"They did refer to Gaines ‘misgendering’ and equated her objection to Thomas being a complete volte face to previous support of a lesbian teammate. They are not mutually exclusive things."

The context was Gaines being previously supportive to Lia Thomas as a trans woman & her evolution from that. In any case that's not suggesting the pod casters approved of trans women in women's change rooms. One can still acknowledge trans dignity & be respectful while still being against sharing open change rooms.

"They don’t like her, Trump or where she gets her money. So what. Again, she isn’t ‘hiding’ anything and it simply isn’t the ‘gotcha’ they think it is."

The gotcha is Gaines doesn't really care about women's safety & what she was 'hiding' was the sexually abusive environment she was in because she'd rather focus on right wing talking points of trans demonisation. $$$$$

Um, it's not me who said that but Gaines' own team mates in the podcast.

Might help watching it before you comment.

Women who have been abused do not always immediately recognise their abuse, especially if they have been habituated to it. It doesn’t mean they were not abused. You just need to look at MN relationship boards to see how often women assume their incredibly abusive partners are not being abusive. Or the thousands of girls horrifically abused by grooming gangs.

Plus even if Riley did recognise the abuse immediately, she needed the message to be picked up by the media. Do you also claim the 12/13 year olds drugged and gang raped by grooming gangs were not abused because they didn’t immediately get that picked up by the media?