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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Helen Webberley v Robbie Starbuck . . . WOW!! 😂

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POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 24/11/2025 23:12

I have watched all the recent Webberley interviews . . . this one is a doozy!!

Robby Starbuck Vs. Pro Trans Doctor: Debate On Child Transitions!

Robbie Starbuck cool as a cucumber and totally unfazed by Webberley's almost continuous unhinged ranting 😂🤣

In previous interviews I thought that she was feigning ignorance. I am not so sure now. Otherwise, she has really jumped the shark by claiming never to have heard of Marci Bowers, at the same time banging on about WPATH as the fount of all knowledge!

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Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 26/11/2025 15:05

So many things and people she's never heard of! Furries, transage, transrace Marci Bowers, Riley Gaines, Richie Herron (per Andrew Gold's), child J... Webberley is either the densest person in the debate or the most duplicitous!

And I enjoy how she dismisses any trans person who disagrees with her, but rambles on about some community which we just have to believe her all think with a hive mind.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 26/11/2025 15:27

I have a hunch that her wide-ranging professed ignorance might be as much her undoing as her arrogant dismissal of inconvenient evidence and individuals and her callous attitude towards rape victims, detransitioners and young people who have been found to have been harmed by GenderGP.

Even before claiming to be pig-ignorant on what is supposed to be her area of clinical expertise:

  • She was blocked from prescribing medication to residents of Maine before she got involved with "gender medicine":

British pharmacy chain launches online drugstore for Maine consumers
7 Oct 2014
www.bangordailynews.com/2014/10/07/health/british-pharmacy-chain-launches-online-drugstore-for-maine-consumers/

  • An NHS Commissioning Group has warned GPs not to have anything to do with GenderGP.

NHS issues urgent warning for discredited transgender clinic
GenderGP is said to not provide physiological or psychological support to its patients
28 February 2024
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/28/gps-transgender-clinic-urgent-safety-warning-nhs/

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NebulousSadTimes · 26/11/2025 15:54

I don't think she has any care or concern at all for anybody, trans or not, she sees people as suppliers of money, perhaps irritations if they're trying to show her up for what she is, nothing more.

OnAShooglyPeg · 26/11/2025 17:51

I've never heard of Robby Starbuck (or Starstruck as I keep calling him) and he's probably not someone that I would watch again. I'm not sure if he has any affiliation with Daily Wire, but I'm sure he'd fit in well. However, that notwithstanding, I thought this was quite measured.

I've been working from home today so have put on the podcasts. My takeaway from watching the latest interviews (Bindel, Joyce, Starbuck, Gold) is that Webberley needs to fire her PR team, they are doing her and her cause no favours. Of course, she will be playing to the crowd in her own way as I'm sure there will be threads on Trans Reddit about these, no doubt seeing them in a much different light.

MalagaNights · 26/11/2025 18:18

I agree with Robbie Starbuck that she's just not very bright.

She's obviously bright enough in an academic sense that she can memorise information and apply it, so she can pass medical exams and perform the basis functions of a GP.

But she totally lacks reasoning and analytical skills. She seems to genuinely be unable to follow the links across situations and examples.

She also has a very limited moral reasoning skills. She seems to have landed on 'being kind' as the highest virtue above all and believes doing what someone wants makes you kind. She then just keeps reverting to simplistic platitudes of 'that's mean' 'you can't say that' and 'we have to believe people.'

At one point (might have been with Andrew Gold?) she actually says 'I'm a really nice person.' 🤣.
Who says that??

She has nothing substantial to offer. She hasn't thought it through, she has no basis to argue from and doesn't even seem to know it.

It's actually very hard to debate someone like this. When you try to bring rationale arguments/ hypotheses/ comparisons etc and their answer is just: you are mean. You can't really prove your case.

plantcomplex · 26/11/2025 19:08

It was quite fascinating watching him stay calm as she was rude, aggressive and ranted at him from the very beginning. His somewhat pointed remark about emotional regulation was on the nose, but I think it sailed over her head.

Her behaviour was very uncomfortable to watch and I felt embarrassed for her at times. She wasn't exactly her best self and I do wonder whether she would have behaved like that if it had been in person rather than a video call.

plantcomplex · 26/11/2025 19:40

Sellseashells · 26/11/2025 19:18

Interestingly timed article in the guardian yesterday on brain development! They now think the Adolescent phase lasts from puberty to 32 - someone might want to let HW know 🤣
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/nov/25/brain-human-cognitive-development-life-stages-cambridge-study

I don't even know what to say about a supposed medic declaring that human brains are already fully developed at birth.

plantcomplex · 26/11/2025 19:47

I actually wanted to hear her explanation of why she believes you can "identify as" the opposite sex and therefore you magically are the opposite sex, but you cannot "identify as" another race or age or species or object and magically become so.

But all she had was "race/age/species/object is not an identity, but gender is an identity". I was disappointed she didn't offer any explanation because I wanted to understand her thought process, but I guess she doesn't have one beyond "it's different because I say so".

JamieCannister · 26/11/2025 20:18

plantcomplex · 26/11/2025 19:47

I actually wanted to hear her explanation of why she believes you can "identify as" the opposite sex and therefore you magically are the opposite sex, but you cannot "identify as" another race or age or species or object and magically become so.

But all she had was "race/age/species/object is not an identity, but gender is an identity". I was disappointed she didn't offer any explanation because I wanted to understand her thought process, but I guess she doesn't have one beyond "it's different because I say so".

The answer of course is that there are two types of identity -

The reality based one ("I identify as a Tory because I support their policies and vote for them and it is an important part of my life" - true for some!!!)

The aspirational / delusional one ("I identify as what I wish I was, which is a woman / black person / 6 year old / the most intelligent debater in west europe / delete as applicable")

No one has yet sold her the other aspirational identities (or no-one has pointed out to her that fake tan could be sold to trans-racial people if you're a conscience-free grifter)

OnAShooglyPeg · 26/11/2025 20:31

I know why people tend to lean towards the extremes, such as identifying as a table or as a giraffe, but I think the Webberleys of the world just brush those off as absurd and don't engage, whereas they tend to try to deflect when the examples are a bit more grounded.

The trans-racial argument is always quite interesting. Recently we had a discussion in the office that included Mariah Carey (must be the time of year!), who is mixed race. However, not everyone seems to know that or immediately see that, presumably thinking she just has a good tan. Who is going to say that she cannot "identify" as black or mixed race? Or that Keanu Reeves can't "identify" as Asian, despite having Chinese lineage?

I also find it funny that no one really buys into trans-age being legitimate. Even though we have sayings like 'young at heart' or 'old souls' (and that is their true authentic selves!), that's not enough to claim a pension or to buy age-restricted products, etc.

CarefulN0w · 26/11/2025 20:45

Can I just say how much I enjoyed her criticism of Dr Hilary Cass for “only” being a respiratory paediatrician.

Last time I looked, neither Webberly was an endocrinologist.

plantcomplex · 26/11/2025 20:59

OnAShooglyPeg · 26/11/2025 20:31

I know why people tend to lean towards the extremes, such as identifying as a table or as a giraffe, but I think the Webberleys of the world just brush those off as absurd and don't engage, whereas they tend to try to deflect when the examples are a bit more grounded.

The trans-racial argument is always quite interesting. Recently we had a discussion in the office that included Mariah Carey (must be the time of year!), who is mixed race. However, not everyone seems to know that or immediately see that, presumably thinking she just has a good tan. Who is going to say that she cannot "identify" as black or mixed race? Or that Keanu Reeves can't "identify" as Asian, despite having Chinese lineage?

I also find it funny that no one really buys into trans-age being legitimate. Even though we have sayings like 'young at heart' or 'old souls' (and that is their true authentic selves!), that's not enough to claim a pension or to buy age-restricted products, etc.

I've seen the "transracial" point being put to her twice in her recent marketing tour and both times her reaction was essentially "that's a colour, you can't identify as a colour". As though they were the ones being absurd, not her.

Sellseashells · 26/11/2025 21:11

plantcomplex · 26/11/2025 19:40

I don't even know what to say about a supposed medic declaring that human brains are already fully developed at birth.

I know. I'm also not understanding how she can claim to still be a doctor if she's not licensed or practicing. I know she can't issue prescriptions etc but surely doctors who are not in practice must have some further restrictions on how they "market" themselves and use their title? It must be very misleading to vulnerable members of public to be told someone is a "doctor" and therefore trustworthy, when they're not regulated or tied to any cpd.

plantcomplex · 26/11/2025 21:49

Sellseashells · 26/11/2025 21:11

I know. I'm also not understanding how she can claim to still be a doctor if she's not licensed or practicing. I know she can't issue prescriptions etc but surely doctors who are not in practice must have some further restrictions on how they "market" themselves and use their title? It must be very misleading to vulnerable members of public to be told someone is a "doctor" and therefore trustworthy, when they're not regulated or tied to any cpd.

Medical doctors only have "Doctor" as a courtesy title anyway. Most don't have doctorates.

SwirlyGates · 26/11/2025 21:59

plantcomplex · 26/11/2025 19:08

It was quite fascinating watching him stay calm as she was rude, aggressive and ranted at him from the very beginning. His somewhat pointed remark about emotional regulation was on the nose, but I think it sailed over her head.

Her behaviour was very uncomfortable to watch and I felt embarrassed for her at times. She wasn't exactly her best self and I do wonder whether she would have behaved like that if it had been in person rather than a video call.

She said very early on that she'd walk out if he asked her about her husband. She seemed to start off in a very bad mood.

KnottyAuty · 26/11/2025 22:03

I really enjoyed the bit where she said "you can't identify as a lion because that is an animal" or similar. I really wanted RS to say "humans are mammals" so why do you think a male can identify as a female when sex is just as immutable as transitioning from one mammal to another?

She sounded completely idiotic - but appeared to believe what she was saying!!

LivelyFinch · 26/11/2025 22:07

Having watched this video I'm honestly wondering if she was sniffing something in the times she was off camera.

Or perhaps she's just completely deranged and I'm making an excuse for her madness 🤷‍♀️

KnottyAuty · 26/11/2025 22:34

Oh and for anyone interested in brain plasticity and development, this TED talk by Michael Merzenich is really interesting. The ears are so important and develop so early - but we still don't know why...

www.ted.com/talks/michael_merzenich_growing_evidence_of_brain_plasticity

TempestTost · 27/11/2025 02:01

Sellseashells · 26/11/2025 19:18

Interestingly timed article in the guardian yesterday on brain development! They now think the Adolescent phase lasts from puberty to 32 - someone might want to let HW know 🤣
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/nov/25/brain-human-cognitive-development-life-stages-cambridge-study

How is it adolescent if it ends around 32? Surely that means that is what an adult brain looks like.

TempestTost · 27/11/2025 02:05

Sellseashells · 26/11/2025 21:11

I know. I'm also not understanding how she can claim to still be a doctor if she's not licensed or practicing. I know she can't issue prescriptions etc but surely doctors who are not in practice must have some further restrictions on how they "market" themselves and use their title? It must be very misleading to vulnerable members of public to be told someone is a "doctor" and therefore trustworthy, when they're not regulated or tied to any cpd.

No, neither practising nor licencing is relevant.

You are a medical doctor if you have a medical degree.

If you want to practice in a particular jurisdiction you need a licence to do so. Most doctors give theirs up when they retire, it's expensive, but they are still doctors.

JamieCannister · 27/11/2025 07:00

TempestTost · 27/11/2025 02:05

No, neither practising nor licencing is relevant.

You are a medical doctor if you have a medical degree.

If you want to practice in a particular jurisdiction you need a licence to do so. Most doctors give theirs up when they retire, it's expensive, but they are still doctors.

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A doctor who has neither the paperwork to practice, nor the evidence of being up to date with medical and ethical CPD in order to prove competence in 2025.

Owly11 · 27/11/2025 07:36

TempestTost · 27/11/2025 02:05

No, neither practising nor licencing is relevant.

You are a medical doctor if you have a medical degree.

If you want to practice in a particular jurisdiction you need a licence to do so. Most doctors give theirs up when they retire, it's expensive, but they are still doctors.

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Yes but it is a criminal offence to hold yourself out as being licensed to practice when you aren't. Calling yourself a doctor in conjunction with offering medical services, albeit through an organisation that you run, is sailing very close to the wind in my view. Much of it will depend on how the public that use your services see you. It would be interesting to see how the GMC looked on it.

mycatcontrolsmewith5g · 27/11/2025 07:37

He’s very right wing apparently

mycatcontrolsmewith5g · 27/11/2025 07:37

Which is a shame