Helen Webberley v Robbie Starbuck . . . WOW!! 😂

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I have watched all the recent Webberley interviews . . . this one is a doozy!!

Robby Starbuck Vs. Pro Trans Doctor: Debate On Child Transitions!

Robbie Starbuck cool as a cucumber and totally unfazed by Webberley's almost continuous unhinged ranting 😂🤣

In previous interviews I thought that she was feigning ignorance. I am not so sure now. Otherwise, she has really jumped the shark by claiming never to have heard of Marci Bowers, at the same time banging on about WPATH as the fount of all knowledge!

Bloody hell. I'm only about 20 minutes in and she sounded unhinged from the start.

Does she ever talk to trans people? Her business model certainly puts them at arms length.

I'm back to thinking its all about the grift $$$ now. For awhile I was convinced that she may be a true believer, but she's shown her true colours here. Blatantly lying in response to the clever landmines the interviewer laid - its just not credible that even the most deluded TRA or parent wanting it to be true that transing their child was the right thing to do could believe that her patients had experience of sex before treatment or not knowing who MB or RG are, or that babies come out of the womb with their brains fully developed, never mind an actual doctor who went to medical school.

Surely Trump will.throw her out?

I play poker (at regional level so a lot and with many different people) and her tells when lying are SO OBVIOUS on this one (looking up and away for example, but others repeated as well) - much more so than on the previous three where she obfuscatred with bravado and sneering (a common poker strategy as well). This one was really important to her and also really rattled her.

On his X account someone says it’s like having a conversation with a schizophrenic, exhausting, and they don’t know how Robby tolerated her for so long. His answer was:

I have 4 kids who’ve all been toddlers so I’m very patient.

An honorary Mumsnetter.

Surely Trump will.throw her out?

Even leaving aside the ethics of gender medicine, isn't she proposing to sell cheap drugs and services to Americans from abroad? Just on that level, isn't it a tactical error to tour the brocasts setting herself up as public enemy number one? Isn't she putting a target on her back?

Have you seen her response to him?

"No amount of edited promos will disguise the fact that I wiped the floor with you & your terrible, harmful views @robbystarbuck
This isn’t an easy discussion. It’s about real people. Perhaps next time you can do better by being prepared and being ready to listen. Shoo 💋"

Properly lost it now. You can really see how much she relies on '' I know you are but what am I?' playground level debating tactics. And is she really retorting with the old 'do better'? SO last year, before the worm firmly turned.

I'm actually astounded that she is exposing herself in this way. Shows the arrogance I suppose.

A related issue is the tiny dating pool that trans people have available.

Very few straight women want to date a transwomen with a neovagina (or a penis, but I’m focussing on the point about bottom surgery and organs capacity). Even fewer lesbians do.

I have heard a number of trans people state that this is a taboo subject within the community and no-one discusses the difficulties they have finding intimate partners. I think this is evident through the absence of allies and activists shouting about population-wide transphobia being evidenced by no-one wanting to date trans people.

Wasn't edited of course. He released the entire unedited interview, with timestamps. She just relies on lying to create the image she wants to portray to gullible and/or stupid people. Are there really enough of them left to sustain your one dimensional business model based on nebulousnlies and half truths Helen?

She has now said that people supposedly report better sex with treatment because they are living as they want to live.

I find this problematic for many reasons, no the least the points you raid oldcrone. Because, of course, children taking these drugs have nothing to compare it to, so it is an empty point as far as that goes.

But also, it doesn’t say anything about their orgasm function. It is not explicit which Bowers was.

And if those people are having sex they don’t enjoy without treatment, there needs to be some counselling there too. Some relationship counselling.

Plus, if she is talking to men with paraphilias, of course they are going to report better sex and they are having their paraphilia met.

It is a problematic statement and I would like the next person asking her questions to push hard on this in comparison to Bowers and others statements.

She has so much compassion for "trans people" and Verges on tears when someone misspeaks but shows not a bit of compassion or understanding as to why a woman or girl may not feel comfortable or safe sharing private spaces with biological men.

She is disgusting.

"No amount of edited promos will disguise the fact that I wiped the floor with you & your terrible, harmful views @robbystarbuck
This isn’t an easy discussion. It’s about real people. Perhaps next time you can do better by being prepared and being ready to listen. Shoo 💋"

That is like someone who viewed this interview living in an alternative reality.

I now wonder if she leaves her social media to her marketing department and has no fucking idea what they post and who they post to. Imagine telling him to be better prepared after this interview filled with misinformation and rejecting discussion about her husband’s malpractice.

To add to this, I suspect that the issue is further exacerbated because people probably tell her what she wants to hear. Particularly if it is group environment. They are probably going to publicly lie to save face and stay on message.

And I question how often this question is asked in a clinical setting. Because would it be asked spontaneously, or only if a problem is noted ?

I have no idea the full truth, but I think it's clear that surgical interventions are problematic (negative side effects) and disappointing (a neo-v is not a v) at best. It would not surprise me if the truth is that almost every trans person finds their surgical transition incredibly problematic and almost 100% disappointing.

I can imagine walking in the countryside, and coming to a stream with no bridge. It looks quite wide, but I am fairly confident. I can imagine trying to jump it and slipping as I land and smashing my knee on a rock. After recovery the knee is never quite the same again. It's not too bad, but I can no longer do long walks without pain, and it tends to play up a bit every day.

That decision to try to make the jump would haunt me. Why did I do it? I knew it was risky, I didn't need to cross the stream and even if I did I didn't need to do it there.

Imagine the same but you are sat there thinking "I have no penis and cannot orgasm. Most gay men are looking for a man, not a feminized man, and not a penis-less feminized man, and I can't find a partner". I just cannot comprehend what that must do to someone, day in day out. The bravery of detransitioners is incredible.

But to the point... I believe that humans have massive survival instincts, and part of that is to lie to ourselves that we don't have regrets. I think many trans people are desperate to pretend it's all great on a "fake it til you make it" basis, but deeper than that is something much much darker - a subconscious knowledge that dealing with the reality of your mind's reaction to the mistaken choice you made is just something that cannot be done without a full-blown all-encompassing mental health crisis descending.

The positive claims about the benefits of transition are in part about not wanting to be the odd one out in the community (a failed transition) without knowing that everyone else is thinking the same; partly about not wanting to let other trans people down by undermining the positive messaging; fear of being attacked by other trans people, but I honestly think the biggest thing is the self conscious knowledge that to admit your mistake is to open a can of worms that might never be able to be controlled.

I think her market is less gullible and stupid people and more people who, for whatever reason, desperately want to buy a drug.

See previous involvement in business ventures selling Clomid.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/infertility/2544934-Anyone-used-Oxford-Online-Pharmacy-for-Clomid

and NHS drugs (buy at prescription price, add huge mark up) to people in Maine.

Also:

Websites selling medicine looked at by health watchdog

'Doctor Matt' was managed by Webberley and 'Frost's pharmacy Ltd' is Oxford Online Pharmacy from the above Mumsnet thread.

I think she decided about 10 years ago that it was more profitable to sell drugs on-line than to work as a GP.

I strongly suspect that the only way that Webberley interacts with trans people is online.

Kerry, Cliff and Dawn from Faking It would have a field day with her.

"No amount of edited promos will disguise the fact that I wiped the floor with you & your terrible, harmful views @robbystarbuck
This isn’t an easy discussion. It’s about real people. Perhaps next time you can do better by being prepared and being ready to listen. Shoo 💋"

Yeah it is about real people until anyome mentions a real person then it's about the hurt to the community until you mention the community and then it's about real people until...blah blah blah.

I have nothing to add to what you all said, but wow! This is a truly awful interview on her part. I urge people to watch it. She is trans ideology personified. She's rattled all the way through but she REALLY loses it from around minute 50 or so and the sarcasm kicks in.

I thought he was a great interviewer for letting her speak and tie herself in knots, but his frustration is evident by the end.

I am so glad this interview is out there now for the US to watch and understand who she really is..

Yeah it is about real people until anyome mentions a real person then it's about the hurt to the community until you mention the community and then it's about real people until...blah blah blah.

"talk to real trans people"

"I have"

"no not that one"

It is really incredibly worrying, if true, that she hasn't heard of the people he refers to (Riley Gaines, Marci Bowers etc) and sneers at social media.
It's 2025 Helen, this is the world your so-called customers live in and yet you seem so detached from it and the things that are influencing your (mainly young) customers. How can she possibly understand where they are at mentally if she doesn't understand their world?

‘WPATH are the experts of this’
‘Marcie Bowers is a lead person in WPATH’
’not that WPATH’

Detransitioners...well they weren't really trans were they, so there is no reason she would ever listen to them.

This was Starbuck’s reply to Webberley.

https://x.com/robbystarbuck/status/1993098651380727853?s=46

“I know you like to believe people can identify as whatever they want but identifying as someone who won the debate is bold even for you Helen. 99% of the viewers so far think you came off nuttier than squirrel 💩. Also we released the entire interview. Nothing was cut from it. 😂”

I've only watched clips for the sake of my blood pressure/sanity but the guy asks her about reduced sexual function when the children grow up. Her answer was "Why are we talking about orgasms in kids?!"

That wasn't the point, you absolute loon, and she's just trying to deflect by suggesting he was inappropriately sexualising children. These videos/interviews would be funny if what she's doing wasn't so horrific.