The Times has seen a copy of EHRC's final guidance

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and it looks like it's pretty rubbish:
"Under the new guidance, places such as hospital wards, gyms and leisure centres will be able to question transgender women over whether they should be using single-sex services based on how they look, their behaviour or concerns raised by others."

https://www.thetimes.com/article/82eecc43-711f-4c0a-b669-42d09d60d63e?shareToken=e5c7b92df4468caa07dbd71d66c660ab

A small boy of my acquaintance identifies as a T Rex. Only at weekends, though. His school doesn't affirm dinosaur identities.

I'm still waiting for anyone to explain why a subjectively adopted identity should override the separate category of sex, when it comes to single sex provisions that have been built around the idea that biological sex is an actual thing.

I don’t think some chooses to be trans if that’s what you’re trying to say

and oh won't someone please think of the poor, butch lesbians.

The irony is that they are using the 'won't somebody think of the ladies' line in exactly the way that Tommy Robinson uses it.

Define 'trans'

For some people claiming a non binary or gender fluid identity is about as deep as being a goth.

I don’t think non-binary people are trans. Trans people have gender dysphoria and take steps to align themselves with the opposite sex.

Women are service humans when it comes to trans rights

Teenage girls are there to legitimise the middle age males.
Butch lesbians are there to de-legitimise the SC ruling.
Vulnerable women who identify as trans after trauma (particularly sexual trauma) are there to serve the purposes of those males who don't have dysphoria.
Women in women's facilities are there to affirm and validate males.
The removal of the word women? All about men throwing a tantrum - male sex words don't get touched.

EVERYTHING comes back to women's subordination to males.

Women and girls asking for privacy and dignity away from males? Na fuck em. They don't matter.

All the data on the safety of trans affirming drugs is based on males - when you look females alone it's utterly shocking.

All the women who can't use facilities for whatever reason because they are mixed sex. Fuck em.

Women and girls sport? Na not important.

It's all about the men.

The answer is no - this is not what things look like if you have decided to take sex discrimination seriously....

There is no legal definition of trans.

There is a legal definition of gender reassignment which relies son you identifying sex. Otherwise you don't get legal protection as someone trans ...

Stonewall:

Trans
A term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.

Stonewall uses ‘trans’ as an umbrella term including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, genderqueer, genderfluid, non-binary, agender, trans man, trans woman, trans masculine and trans feminine.

However, as no trans organisation is campaigning for trans to be defined in those terms, your view is rather academic.

We’re in this mess because activists started pushing the concept of being transgender which includes fetishists without dysphoria. We need to get back to a place where treatment is only available for people with genuine distress after going through proper evaluations

You mean apart from Stonewall - who more or less have cornered the market on LGBT activism and lobbying. Apart from them.

As you were.

You seem to be under the impression that there is a way that a clinician can identify which male is a fetishist and which is not. And do you believe those rare cases in the past were not fetishists?

Why?

That is a very simplistic understanding of the reality of the world out there - and the evidence is all over twitter and elsewhere...

A 'trans person' is simply a person of one sex pretending to be the other sex. As has been demonstrated on here so many times - it is not possible to transition biologically, nor is it possible to transition your gender (you simply expand the stereotype of your original gender). Therefore there is technically no such thing as someone who has / can / will transition...

That leaves only those who want to transition - who having an illogical desire in the face of the evidence of reality must mean something else is behind it...

the driver behind it might be gender dysphoria, but equally it could be distorted influence from elsewhere (e.g. caught up in the lies and deceptions taught online to many vulnerable people), it could be a sexual perversion, it could simply be a form of toxicity and power - loving watching others being uncomfortable - esp. in the toxic male rejoicing in the discomfort of the vulnerable female - in other places it might be a belief that you will have better conditions in a women's prison than a man's prison... etc.

There are many reasons why a man might pretend to be a woman, a minority of those reasons need sympathetic treatment - at the other end of the scale they might require a prison sentence...

There are also plenty of men calling themselves 'women' or 'trans' who have zero interest in looking like a woman - full on beards / often dishevelled men in a frock - they clearly do not have gender dysphoria!

and still...
it is irrelevant
a trans woman is a man
men are not allowed in women's spaces!

We have no way of knowing for sure why those people transitioned, but why is the presumption that it’s because of a fetish?

As I see it, LimeScroller has become an arbiter of who is and who isn’t transgender and who has and who hasn’t got gender dysphoria. Based on their personal criteria.

How very unexpected ….

On the question of how many trans-identifying people have gender dysphoria, why not listen to an actual expert? Az Hakeem ran a (in fact the only) gender dysphoria clinic for the NHS for 12 years. He's both a psychiatrist and a psychotherapist. Near the beginning of this talk, he explains what types of men came to his clinic (which was open to everyone). He says that a very large number of them were transvestites - men who got a kick out of sometimes wearing women's clothes, but didn't have any wish to become women. There was a group of transsexuals - men who wanted to change their physical bodies - and a similar-sized group of transsexuals who had changed their bodies and now regretted it. There was a small group of AGP men - men who were sexually excited by the idea of having breasts and a vagina. Based on this, I'd assume that the majority of transwomen are men who would previously have called themselves transvestites.

Many trans identifying people do not have gender dysphoria. They do however need to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria before they can get a GRC.

Why the presumption that it was not because of a fetish?

Good luck with that.

I would mention age restrictions as an example. I was repeatedly humiliated by having my age queried in front of my peers in pubs and clubs, even when I was actually over 18. I sucked it up and survived. With the wisdom of age I can see the sense in a rule that forbids under-age drinking.

Why are we presuming it's not? Especially when lots of trans women actively admit it?

Why is this weighted towards males with fetishisms and against women who are unwilling and consenting victims of it?

Once again it's all in the favour of the males in the equation throwing their weight about and expecting women not to question it or say hang on this isn't very equal, this is stacked against me before we've even started.

Stonewall also used to include Transvestite under the "trans" umbrella but dropped it for some unknown reason.

We have no way of knowing for sure why those people transitioned, but why is the presumption that it’s because of a fetish?

So why should we assume it's because of gender dysphoria?

Also are we talking about men or women? Youngsters or full adults? Reasons are different in different cohorts. And they haven't transitioned. Because they can't.

We know it's a fetish in many cases of men because they tell us on SM.

ETA:
Incidentally, gender dysphoria can itself arise as a result of a fetish. In autogynephilia, the desire to see himself as a woman is so overwhelming that the man sometimes opts for castration and/or full penile inversion because he needs his own body not to contradict his fetish image.

I was still getting IDed age 35.... Including on one occasion when I was about 32 in the company of an 18 year old who was NOT IDed. The difference? He was a whacking great huge kid and I'm a teeny tiny woman. Who is easier to ask? Me or him?

I lived.

This is another deviation though.

It doesn’t matter whether someone has a fetish or not. Robust safeguarding removes any need to distinguish a motivation for a person having their philosophical belief about themselves that doesn’t reflect material reality.

Regardless of fetish or no fetish, all male people are excluded from female single sex provisions.

It is also a material fact that any male above the age of about 8 years old in a female single sex provision makes that provision mixed sex. It can no longer be defined as female single sex.