The Times has seen a copy of EHRC's final guidance

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and it looks like it's pretty rubbish:
"Under the new guidance, places such as hospital wards, gyms and leisure centres will be able to question transgender women over whether they should be using single-sex services based on how they look, their behaviour or concerns raised by others."

https://www.thetimes.com/article/82eecc43-711f-4c0a-b669-42d09d60d63e?shareToken=e5c7b92df4468caa07dbd71d66c660ab

There are plenty of accounts available of people telling you exactly why they transitioned, and the thought processes that preceded that.

Bearing in mind that the BBC headline is misleading at best, I wouldn't place too much weight on the rest of it being accurate.

I don't think "transitioned" is an accurate or useful word anyway in this context so I think the reason for a so-called "transition" is an irrelevant distraction. Humans cannot change sex. People are using the word "transitioned" to mean "adopted an identity" or "mutilated by surgery" or "acquired a certificate". It never means someone has changed sex.

It is impossible to change sex and using the word "transitioned" to try and suggest it is possible to change from one sex to another is deliberately misleading and an abuse of language.

A man who has "transitioned" is still a man and should not be in women's spaces such as hospital wards or holding himself out as a woman when delivering services such as medical care.

No, I do mean trans people. It might be hard for you to believe, but trans men also exist and want to be able to live their lives too.

@OneDeepLimeScroller
Women who claim a trans identity are a very different group with different motivations and needs to men who claim a trans identity. Therefore it does matter which cohort you are referring to. (ETA: You can't lump them together. If you actually cared, as opposed to just trying to use those women as a gotcha, you would see that.)

The GC side in FWS fought for those women - because they also need sex-based protections.

Oh please. What have you done for them? Apart from get them excluded from male and female spaces

FWS pointed out (and the judges agreed) that a transman with a GRC would not be entitled to any pregnancy or maternity rights or protections in law if a GRC made them legally male for Equality Act 2010 purposes. The Scottish government argued against FWS, i.e. couldn't care less about transmen.

Has any trans man even been denied maternity rights in practice? Or are we just inventing problems now?

Not me personally, obviously - it was FWS and their legal team with the help of Sex Matters and a lesbian group as intervenors.

Retaining sex-based protections. Again, if you actually cared, you would see that survivors of MVAWG - which is many of these women and girls - need male-free refuges. They need male-free sports and prisons, etc, just as much as women who do not claim special identities. Specifically the loss of protections around maternity and pregnancy were a major factor in influencing the decision of the judges that sex had to mean biological sex and a GRC could not change that.

I recommend you read the judgement.

I'm not really sure what you mean by this.

I can't remember being denied maternity rights, but it doesn't therefore follow that the rights are unnecessary.

The Supreme Court judges very sensibly argued that the law had to be coherent. To remove pregnancy and maternity protections from a woman by granting her a certificate to say she is now a man would very clearly be perverse. There have certainly been transmen who have become pregnant. Should they not have the same protections in law as other women? Do we have to wait until a pregnant transman is discriminated against by an employer or hcp before we decide that protections are justified?

How is it an invented problem if a woman gets pregnant and is sacked? It used to happen all the time before the Sex Discrimination Act of 1975.

This guidance absolutely nails the problem and closes the loopholes and all the whataboutery.

It is comprehensive enough to cover all of those.

Yes, some people might not like it as evidenced on this thread 👀 but it is very clear that single sex spaces mean single sex. That's it.

It is perfect for certain circumstances we have seen in real life:

RMW facing the choice of doors right in front of him - male, female, gender neutral - chooses the female toilet. He was, quite rightly, challenged on this. Because he is male. Why does he or anyone else think he has the right to use female only spaces.

Eddie Izzard queueing for the female toilets. Eddie self identifies as gender fluid. When asked in 2019 what pronouns he preferred, Izzard responded, "either 'he' or 'she'" and explained, "If I am in boy mode, then 'he', or girl mode, 'she'". Eddie is male. Why does he or anyone else think he has the right to use female only spaces.

India Willoughby boasted online about ignoring the nearby gender neutral toilets at an airport and instead walking further out of his way to the female only toilets. India is male. Why does he or anyone else think he has the right to use female only spaces.

No one is saying these men are a threat to women. They are simply saying they are not entitled to use female only spaces because they are not female.

Therefore they, like every other male, must use the male facilities, or the mixed sex facilities.

If all you needed to do to fix the problem of equality was to get little certificates declaring everyone men, we could have all done that a long time ago.

All males who are demanding access to women-only anything, be it sports, bathrooms, locker rooms, jobs, prisons, rape shelters, are abusing the system. That very system is designed to protect FEMALES from the perpetual historic abuses conducted by MALES against them because of their SEX. See how this works.

Worth remembering that most women on here have immense compassion for these young women who've been gaslit by trans lobby groups & social media . Sold the lie that their pubertal angst, their range of mental health problems and their anxieties about being women in this porn soaked world can all be cured with a sex change.
We see their vulnerabilities, many of them are our daughters, our nieces, our family friends. Even though many of them will never recognise it, our hearts go out to them for their futures that they're giving up for this dangerous fantasy.

Eddie self identifies as gender fluid.

I think LimeScroller would make a distinction between Izzard and the others, but it's not really clear why.

It doesn't matter where on the scale these men are. They are all male and therefore do not have the right to use female only facilities.

Indeed. It is in fact YOU who seems to be forgetting that. But you knew damn well that is what I meant.

I’’m off to bed. I am very gender critical. Ie i believe women are women. Men are not women. I hope sara Morrison sleeps well. You done good!

Ps trans men are a very different thing. They are threatening no one because they are actually women. No one really cares about them because they are actually women!

No because they are women. And sex means biological sex.

Debate in the House of Lords about the delay to the code of practice being published

I don't want to be disrespectful to Baroness Smith, but I think her replies could be boiled down to "we are not slow walking the guidance, we are considering it carefully, and it will be laid before Parliament sometime between next year and the heat death of the universe"