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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 09/11/2025 20:07

hholiday · 09/11/2025 20:02

The resignation was about Trump. But a lot of the comments on the mainstream media reporting of the story are referencing the Maxine Croxall decision as evidence the Beeb lost the plot under Davie. Plus the allegations of biased gender reporting formed part of the report that brought him down. Apparently BBC staff are furious about Croxall’s reprimand too. So I don’t think his successor is going to be able to ignore this.

Ana analysis of the last 72 hours of tweets splits it as

55% angry on trump
30% on the trans bias
15% angry general bias

Grok summary: "the Trump edit has the edge in sheer volume and immediacy, the trans bias feels more insidious to critics, as it's portrayed as deliberate suppression over years. Both exemplify a "broken" BBC, per users, demanding structural change beyond apologies."

GallantKumquat · 09/11/2025 20:08

PoppySeedBagelRedux · 09/11/2025 19:37

That may be true - they didn’t show them to TD and he didn’t ask if there were any. There’s none so blind as those who will not see.

Davie's nomination was quite controversial at the time. People advising Johnson wanted to bring in a reformer who would tackle structural issues of bias and accountability in the organization. Davie was a compromise (or perhaps capitulation) candidate. In spite of being sympathetic to Tories, he was an experienced BBC insider whose strength was knowing the ins and outs of how the BBC runs, i.e. an operator not a reformer.

The BBC is presumably run like every other large non-govermental, non-private organization, with a vast constellation of specialties from HR, to sensitivity, to diversity, inclusion and environmental competencies, and those competencies are not to be questioned, and have broad discretion and executive control over their domain. That's the broad outlines of institutional capture. It's not at all a surprise that issues those organizational units dealt with would not rise to his level, and he would think it not his business to intervene.

GingerBeverage · 09/11/2025 20:09

GCAcademic · 09/11/2025 19:44

Sad times. All the fault of the right wing media, according to the Guardian. Nothing to do with the BBC itself, obvs.

Yes this phrasing (all their coverage) clearly shows they are biased too.

Why is the BBC expected to apologise over a Donald Trump speech edit?
^^
Boris Johnson and White House criticise the corporation, but some journalists say criticism is part of campaign to destroy the BBC

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/nov/09/why-is-the-bbc-expected-to-apologise-over-a-donald-trump-speech-edit

https://archive.ph/D0EFc

The British journalist Adam Boulton, a former political editor of Sky News, said on X that he thought claims of bias on this occasion were “BS [bullshit]”, adding it was “fake news to suggest ⁦Donald Trump⁩ did not egg on what happened on 6 January”.

They clipped his speech, how is that possible to excuse?

Why is the BBC expected to apologise over a Donald Trump speech edit?

Boris Johnson and White House criticise the corporation, but some journalists say criticism is part of campaign to destroy the BBC

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/nov/09/why-is-the-bbc-expected-to-apologise-over-a-donald-trump-speech-edit

GallantKumquat · 09/11/2025 20:13

LizzieSiddal · 09/11/2025 20:00

Lisa Nandy was on the BBC this morning with Laura Kunsburg. LK bright up the Trump debarcle and I could believe my ears when Lisa Nandy said it wasn’t just about Trump, it was also about Trans reporting and Gaza! But yes the BBC are certainly trying to bury the Trans bias.

🤯

NumberTheory · 09/11/2025 20:18

I think it’s mainly about Trump.

That video was powerful. And I think it’s a very different thing to put words into the mouth of, probably, the most powerful person in the world, than it is to choose and write your stories on a subject with bias. It’s not something you can back away from or argue around.

Panorama was enough on its own, whereas I don’t think either the Gaza or Trans bias are, even if Davie accepted them (but I think they should be!). Put together they give a very poor picture of the BBC and if, as PPs say, BBC journalists are all over SM saying they aren’t biased and its a right wing plot, they reinforcing that view.

Damnthetorpedoes · 09/11/2025 20:18

GingerBeverage · 09/11/2025 20:09

Yes this phrasing (all their coverage) clearly shows they are biased too.

Why is the BBC expected to apologise over a Donald Trump speech edit?
^^
Boris Johnson and White House criticise the corporation, but some journalists say criticism is part of campaign to destroy the BBC

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/nov/09/why-is-the-bbc-expected-to-apologise-over-a-donald-trump-speech-edit

https://archive.ph/D0EFc

The British journalist Adam Boulton, a former political editor of Sky News, said on X that he thought claims of bias on this occasion were “BS [bullshit]”, adding it was “fake news to suggest ⁦Donald Trump⁩ did not egg on what happened on 6 January”.

They clipped his speech, how is that possible to excuse?

Akin to the Labour Government and their lies, when trust is lost, it’s lost….

DuesToTheDirt · 09/11/2025 20:19

Redshoeblueshoe · 09/11/2025 19:31

I got booted off twitter for saying a certain MP would happily stab KS in the back. I so wish I had been on there today.
TD also lied when he testified at the select committee saying he had seen no complaints re trans issues. I am sure I am not the only person who has complained about the way they cover them.

Many, many of us on this board have complained to the BBC over their trans coverage, especially when they call transwomen murderers and rapists "women" and "she".

EdithStourton · 09/11/2025 20:34

There are two massive issues with the Trump edit:

  1. It makes it plain that the BBC is biased and is not longer holding on to the requirement to be impartial.
  2. It gives Trump (I am Not a Fan) an absolute gift of, 'Yes, see how biased the leftist media is against me, they do not represent me fairly, trust nothing from these biased shills and others like them...'

And yes, I suspect the Trump issue is the major reason why Davie has gone, but there is so much bias in so many other areas of the BBC's reporting (trans, Gaza, rural issues) that the whole place needs a massive clean out.

I hope it happens, but I very much doubt that it will. There will be lots of fine words and fuck all done.

quantumbutterfly · 09/11/2025 20:41

EsmaCannonball · 09/11/2025 19:24

They'll probably put a triumvirate of Juno Dawson, Medhi Hasan and Arthur Scargill in charge. Or should that be triumtheyrate?

I'd love to hear Arthur Scargill's views on the omnicause. Surely he wouldn't have any truck with it.

Damnthetorpedoes · 09/11/2025 20:43

EdithStourton · 09/11/2025 20:34

There are two massive issues with the Trump edit:

  1. It makes it plain that the BBC is biased and is not longer holding on to the requirement to be impartial.
  2. It gives Trump (I am Not a Fan) an absolute gift of, 'Yes, see how biased the leftist media is against me, they do not represent me fairly, trust nothing from these biased shills and others like them...'

And yes, I suspect the Trump issue is the major reason why Davie has gone, but there is so much bias in so many other areas of the BBC's reporting (trans, Gaza, rural issues) that the whole place needs a massive clean out.

I hope it happens, but I very much doubt that it will. There will be lots of fine words and fuck all done.

You make some good points.

I do think the mood is subtly shifting though - many people are utterly exhausted with all the left wing sneering, superiority and gas lighting.

There are limits.

WarriorN · 09/11/2025 20:43

Bobblebottle · 09/11/2025 20:03

I just listened to the SEEN in journalism podcast with Nick Wallis - he said he spoke to Tim Davie at a party and told him that the trans story is even bigger than the post office scandal because it is about trust in institutions - and Davie was dismissive! Wonder if he will ever remember that or care

can’t wait for Nick to take his turn at documenting it all.

🍿👀

WarriorN · 09/11/2025 20:44

Sonia is increasingly on BBC Radio and Television

Tim Davies Resigns - Can Gender Critical Movement take some credit?
GrooveArmada · 09/11/2025 20:44

Christmas came early!

Actually, Sky News is reporting comprehensively this is to do with Trump and trans-activist ideology. They're dancing around Palestine-Israel conflict more, but being clear on transgender issues being a contributing factor.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 09/11/2025 20:49

BBC desperately trying to stuff the trans part under the Trump carpet and they're not getting away with it...

EasternStandard · 09/11/2025 20:49

NumberTheory · 09/11/2025 20:18

I think it’s mainly about Trump.

That video was powerful. And I think it’s a very different thing to put words into the mouth of, probably, the most powerful person in the world, than it is to choose and write your stories on a subject with bias. It’s not something you can back away from or argue around.

Panorama was enough on its own, whereas I don’t think either the Gaza or Trans bias are, even if Davie accepted them (but I think they should be!). Put together they give a very poor picture of the BBC and if, as PPs say, BBC journalists are all over SM saying they aren’t biased and its a right wing plot, they reinforcing that view.

Yes they really can’t see it or admit to it.

GallantKumquat · 09/11/2025 20:56

EdithStourton · 09/11/2025 20:34

There are two massive issues with the Trump edit:

  1. It makes it plain that the BBC is biased and is not longer holding on to the requirement to be impartial.
  2. It gives Trump (I am Not a Fan) an absolute gift of, 'Yes, see how biased the leftist media is against me, they do not represent me fairly, trust nothing from these biased shills and others like them...'

And yes, I suspect the Trump issue is the major reason why Davie has gone, but there is so much bias in so many other areas of the BBC's reporting (trans, Gaza, rural issues) that the whole place needs a massive clean out.

I hope it happens, but I very much doubt that it will. There will be lots of fine words and fuck all done.

Trump changes the calculus. Trump's lawsuit against CBS (and a far less clear cut case of defamation) was for $20, thousand million. CBS eventually settled for $16 Million to be paid to his presidential library. A $20 thousand million case puts the existence of the BBC on the line. The BBC will have to go to the government and ask for sovereign protection (presumably behind closed doors) and that will come at price and probably require the government to directly negotiate with the Trump administration.

The actual maneuvering and outcome is all speculative of course, but IMO business as usual can be ruled out.

IwantToRetire · 09/11/2025 20:58

I think most people will think it is to do with Trump.

But not because they care that much about editorial standards but because they think the BBC sneers a Trump (and Farge) etc..

I doubt anyone thinks GC activists had any impact but on a personal level I think many people with have sympathised with Martine Croxall.

Again not through any coherent political position, but just that she shouldn't have had to uses words like that, or even that they dont care so much about the words, but think publicly criticising her is over the top.

WorriedMutha · 09/11/2025 21:01

Timing is everything. They've known about the issues since May but due to the leak last week and the forthcoming political scrutiny in the coming days, they are getting ahead of the game with the blood letting. They need to do a massive mea culpa. Although the focus has been on Trump because it is readily understandable and such an egregious fraudulent assertion, I am hoping that the focus will switch to the flawed editing of trans issues and the Israeli war. It is the only story on 24 hour news at the moment so I don't think these will escape scrutiny for much longer.

misscockerspaniel · 09/11/2025 21:03

LizzieSiddal · 09/11/2025 20:00

Lisa Nandy was on the BBC this morning with Laura Kunsburg. LK bright up the Trump debarcle and I could believe my ears when Lisa Nandy said it wasn’t just about Trump, it was also about Trans reporting and Gaza! But yes the BBC are certainly trying to bury the Trans bias.

Lisa Nandy is coming to this from an opposing point of view - she is TWAW and this should be borne is mind when she complains about "systemic bias on difficult issues" and "inconsistent reporting". Frankly, I do not trust the Culture Secretary on this issue.

Bobblebottle · 09/11/2025 21:07

I hope Sonia holds on and doesn't let go about the trans issues - the resignations may have been because of Trump but the letter from Michael Prescott was about bias across large sections of its reporting and these cannot be sidelined.

lcakethereforeIam · 09/11/2025 21:09

I read this article I the Telegraph when it was published back in October

https://archive.ph/6WVPZ

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/19/black-lives-matter-not-welcome-bbc-newsroom-tim-davie/

There wasn't a thread that seemed suitable for it at the time. I remember feeling utterly dumbstruck. The brass neck of that man. How he could say that and keep his face straight.

It seems we might be getting a book from Tim (hmm, TiM! Appropriate 😃) sooner than he anticipated. I doubt I'll waste my money on it.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/19/black-lives-matter-not-welcome-bbc-newsroom-tim-davie

WarriorN · 09/11/2025 21:11

BBC now having to acknowledge it’s the trans issue too

Tim Davies Resigns - Can Gender Critical Movement take some credit?
WarriorN · 09/11/2025 21:15

lcakethereforeIam · 09/11/2025 21:09

I read this article I the Telegraph when it was published back in October

https://archive.ph/6WVPZ

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/19/black-lives-matter-not-welcome-bbc-newsroom-tim-davie/

There wasn't a thread that seemed suitable for it at the time. I remember feeling utterly dumbstruck. The brass neck of that man. How he could say that and keep his face straight.

It seems we might be getting a book from Tim (hmm, TiM! Appropriate 😃) sooner than he anticipated. I doubt I'll waste my money on it.

If he is Tory leaning wtf was he on re trans shit?

Blinkingbother · 09/11/2025 21:17

I’m not sure the gender critical movement can take a huge amount of credit, but some yes. I’m no fan of Trump but the speech doctoring was wholly unethical and amoral - it’s terrifying to think what else they may have done and got away with…. Is this a panorama issue alla Bashir or is there a BBC wide lack of true journalism and transparency. Scary times as far as I’m concerned - who the hell can you trust to tell the truth?

WarriorN · 09/11/2025 21:21

The Prescott memo is very clear on some key points around the trans issue at the bbc.

the only credit we can take is that so many of us have been yelling from the rooftops and supporting those who have braved the battlements

seen in journalism probably could be credited

ultimately it appears to be a combo of issues

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