Tim Davies Resigns - Can Gender Critical Movement take some credit?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15274537/Tim-Davie-RESIGNS-BBC-director-general.html

I’m pretty sure I read - in one of the Telegraph articles perhaps - that the prigramme was made for them by an ‘outside’ documentary maker who regularly does work for the BBC. I think that’s pretty standard practice these days, I don’t believe they literally produce much of their own stuff any more but happy to be corrected on that.

I also assume anyone working on that basis is expected to meet BBC standards of impartiality.

The article named the documentary maker and also named the Panorama editor who I understood to be a BBC employee.

I’ll try and find the article but it might take me a while.

Propaganda - Propaganda is the deliberate use of biased or misleading information to influence public opinion, emotions, and behavior to further a specific agenda. It often uses emotionally charged language, selective facts, and powerful imagery to persuade people to believe an idea, support a cause, or buy a product, rather than appealing to logic. Common media for transmitting propaganda messages include news reports

BBC is ground zero for propaganda.

My point is that there is no parallel, perhaps I have not worded this clearly. Up thread people seem to be dumping all state broadcasters into a basket marked 'propaganda'

Some state broadcasters are just about propaganda and there is no way to push back against the lies

The BBC has it's faults and there is need of some self-reflection and redirection but unlike some other state broadcasters there is external scrutiny.

Posters suggesting that the BBC is just propaganda and needs to be shut down should take a look at the divisive vitriol that the American model for current affairs / news delivers.

There is a lot that is right with the BBC, the bits that are wrong can be repaired

edit added some to other broadcasters

‘Almost identical’: Sky News host Chris Kenny exposes ABC committing 'same journalistic sin' as BBC in doctoring footage of President Donald Trump | Sky News Australia

I’ve not given up on the BBC yet but I’m seeing very few signs of self reflection beyond, ‘We made a mistake, soz’. It’s not good enough.

The BBC has it's faults and there is need of some self-reflection and redirection but unlike some other state broadcasters there is external scrutiny.

@SlackJawedDisbeliefXY

Michael Prescott is an independent external advisor who wrote the report pointing out flaws and bias in the BBC’s reporting.
However, his external scrutiny was completely ignored.

You can’t quote Sky news. Sky Australia is Australia’s GB News, basically. They love this and would do anything to sink the ABC.

🙄There is that political purist echo chamber you're in again.

That’s funny. No, it isn’t. It has its issues - my cousin works there, I know - but it isn’t as bad as this. Goodness.

That seems to be you, actually. You put people and organisations into extreme boxes, when the opposite is usually the case. Reality is commonly more boring.

It’s hard to repair institutional bias. It’s within hiring and promotion. The organisation kicks in to defend itself.

I just watched the Sky New clip. I had to Google it, the link didn't work for me. ABC did a similar cut as the BBC. You only have to watch that bit. You could possibly go to the ABC site and watch it there. Although if they've any sense they've deleted it. The cut wasn't as blatant as the Beeb's. ABC just cut the bit about cheering the Senators.

If Sky News want to sink ABC then ABC really shouldn't hand them weapons.

There’s a good analysis on today’s The Rest is Entertainment - doesn’t linger on gender ideology but acknowledges it (rather, Marina does and Richard keeps quiet) firmly outlining the right to object to “male rapists in women’s prisons”.

Hard to do but not impossible. The BBC has managed to slowly drift itself into this position, it should be possible to drift back on course - that is what the scrutiny is helps with.

The zero effort course of action is to disband the BBC

Yes, there are issues with the BBC - but the report is now public knowledge and hopefully will be acted on.

So the external scrutiny has been heard, admittedly in non ideal conditions. The system is sort of working

Re trans issues, I think we have to remember there were a good few years when the BBC would have been in line with Conservative policy. Nobody was paying attention (except perhaps people on MN and a few journalists). The EHRC had lost sight of the requirement to balance competing rights and everything was adrift. None of this happened in a vacuum.

I do however think the trans issue stuff is very much a subject which forms part of a pattern of bias and flawed decision making at the BBC.

All news has biases - even ones who strive for impartiality- but it's been blatant for nearly a decade and has slipped into active misleading.

I pay the BBC licence fee but get less and less for the money. The news is no longer reliably complete - there's also been a lack of dramas, comdies- documenatries been fewer and they seem to dumb down and contain inaccurates more than they used to - plus other channels are doing them now and internet got fair few experts doing interesting segments I can see for free - by watching a few ads.

I'm really not surprised more and more aren't paying the licence fee anymore.

Yet in midsit of this channeling environment- they've made yet more mistakes undermining their very brand and instead of acknowledgement that they are blaming others. They have a lot of good will and nostalgia on their side - but the attitude is rapidly erdoing that.

One time I would have hugely missed the BBC - now I'm much less sure. I'd like it to reform but well I expect we'll get a long slow death with reform being thwarted at every turn till no-one really cares enough to try again.

Yes, there are issues with the BBC - but the report is now public knowledge and hopefully will be acted on.

So the external scrutiny has been heard, admittedly in non ideal conditions. The system is sort of working.

It's only public knowledge because it was leaked to one of the few mainstream media outlets that would have published it The BBC would happily have kept it secret and ignored.

The system is not working.

The BBC has managed to slowly drift itself into this position, it should be possible to drift back on course...

I really wouldn't hold your breath. There's precious little sign of that so far.

I see no signs of the BBC being able to even understand what the problem is, never mind fix it.

One thing I notice in life is that the left elites are totally unable to even articulate the viewpoints of the 'right' - they can only misrepresent them. They have been so captured by a sense of their own rightousness that despite all their protestations of being 'empathic' and 'listening', they literally cannot understand another point of view.

Examples are:

Expressing a concern about mass immigration = racist.

Expressing concern that Islam does not hold the same values towards women and homosexuality = islamaphobe
Expressing concern about men being in women's prisons = transphobe
Saying welfare cuts are needed and don't overall help people/nation = elitist
Saying people should get places at university / in a job, based on merit = exclusiionary

I could go on....but the point is that there is just an automatic labelling of people, a demonising with a 'bad name'. There is no attempt to understand a POV, no attempt to understand intentions and motivations, just an automatic dismissal and assumption that person = bad.

The BBC is literally full of these people, and they it will take a massive, huge undertaking to have these people even contemplate a different point of view - they have been so unused to it, never challeneged or felt discomfort when alternative views are heard. I don't hold much hope at all.

Imagine a person who supports Reform becoming the next DG at the BBC? It ain't ever ever happening.

Not sure how you can make that assertion just a day after yesterdays carnage.

There is still the small matter of Trump and his potential 1bn litigation.

Lastly, has the BBC even admitted it has a systemic problem relating to bias?

Until then…

I agree, apart from the fact that I don't recognise that group as 'left'.

We need a different name for this movement. Authoritarian, soi-disant 'left', but in fact related far more to a very odd bundle of accepted orthodoxies.

I think they are 'of the left'

Almost always well educated. Surburban. Female, or what I call the 'Soy Boys'. Middle / chattering classes.

There is probably a cool name for them somewhere on t'internet that sums it up.

There's very few that I'm seeing saying sorry.

Seems to be mostly utter outrage that anyone point out any issues and an absolute bullheadishness to concede that perhaps that the general public have a point.

If the tone from senior male journalists had been a bit more contrite and conciliatory, if women had been included in any of these panel discussions and if they didn't keep claiming that anyone pointing out issues has been brainwashed into a right wing plot, they'd be getting on better.

As it is, they just look like a bunch of petulant children after a telling off.

The BBC's slow drift from fit for purpose has taken years. Posters are expecting to see change in a couple of days?

Bringing it back to what is more relevant to this board.

It is certainly possible for the BBC to remove the Trans / LGBTQIA+ gatekeepers from the news process and return independence to their journalists.

The BBC has shown that their journalists are capable of gender critical reporting - more weight could be given to these voices

Fairly minor changes but they would require that management at the BBC were prepared to stand up to their internal GI cohort. GI believers need to accept that their voice is not the only one that needs to be listened to

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/11/10/the-bbc-has-gaslit-the-public-over-trans/

A very good summation of the damage Tim Davie has done by embedding trans ideology at the BBC. I think it’s going to play a major part in what happens next at the BBC.