Tim Davies Resigns - Can Gender Critical Movement take some credit?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15274537/Tim-Davie-RESIGNS-BBC-director-general.html

Again I don't remotely think this.

I do however think the trans issue stuff is very much a subject which forms part of a pattern of bias and flawed decision making at the BBC.

There's BBC right and wrong think and you don't question it. If there's a story that challenges that you can't touch it because it's off limits.

That's fundamentally at odds with journalistic best practice though and that's the issue.

People have posted a range of views on this thread.

I don't think most people have said it should be demolished.

Bless the DT.

They exposed Rayner, too.

The Rest is Entertainment had an interesting discussion about this today, they referenced the lack of GC content and said it was a mistake. I would agree with them that despite the issues with the BBC (and I’ve complained about rapists being called women) we are better with it, I don’t want to lose the BBC but I do hope that there are some changes made now. And it was very interesting (and a pleasant surprise) to hear Marina & Richard’s position on it.

On trans issues, I don't think the BBC reflected society as a whole (the vast majority of people weren't aware of any of this for many years), but I do think they acted in line with other institutions (e.g. NHS, the police, government) in accepting trans ideology without question.

Much of the bad decision making has been guided by a belief that it was morally wrong to question the dogma of 'trans women are women' or an affirmation only approach to medicine. I can't think of another science subject where similarly surprising proposals would be accepted with so little question. The BMA are apparently still fighting the good fight against scientific reasoning.

I think the main reason they did this was not that the BBC is 'progressive', but that they have an old fashioned aversion to listening to complaints from women (Good God! not more women complaining again! Didn't we just give them a pay rise? Didn't we do that memo about not sacking women with grey hair?) and a desire to take the line of least resistance. This is also why 'trans ideology' flourished under a Conservative government.

I was hoping like hell they were sane on this subject. They’re usually sensible but they do both live bang in the middle of the meedja bubble so you never can tell. Will listen today

But I don't think they were responsible for the memo? Didn't they just publish information that they were given?

This morning's Metro had an opinion piece predictably defending the BBC from the "it's all a right-wing conspiracy" standpoint.

The point is, the footage was deliberately manipulated to follow an agenda. The programme makers either thought that nobody would notice, or that if they did it wouldn't matter because everyone knows Trump is a baddie. How is this any different to The Sun printing lies about Hillsborough?

I was honestly holding my breath with nerves. They were very gently touching on it, being very careful which I can understand but at least they are sane because I love them both and the number of people who have disappointed me on this is too many to count.

We don't give a stuff who is threatening it. That is what you in your political purist spiral doesn't understand. We really don't give a fuck who does it. As long as it is threatened, and pressure brought to bear.

Yes, the BBC has made mistakes.

Lol mistakes? Mistake is mislaying your car keys, accidentally pouring orange juice instead of milk in your coffee, or an organisation's IT dept making a coding mistake and accidentally deleting their website.

The BBC made a deliberate decision, a deliberate intentional action to manipulate and edit speeches, and to not cover the most important medical scandal since Thalidomide or Ancient Orange.

This BBC didn't make 'mistakes'. They made deliberate decisions. Stop trying to minimise what they did. These were no mistakes!

Elon Musk/Trump/their cabal of billionaires have been working for a few years on the messaging of ‘defund the BBC’ or, in fact, plenty of other countries’ national broadcasters such as the PBS in the US and the ABC in Australia. If any sniff of a scandal occurs

So it's batshit crazy that the BBC would intentionally give them ammunition, then, isn't it?

I know, right?

Thank goodness they did.

BBC verify….. erm.

It was not necessarily you as such but the majority of posters on the thread. Your post happened to be quoted as the post above yours it captured was quite a pleased one.

By no stretch of the imagination can the BBC, PBS, or ABC be called propaganda machines and you would be delusional to think so.

Er, no. They are propaganda machines, that's been comprehensively proven. And you are beyond delusional if you think they aren't. Brainwashed and delusional.

You should be saddened that the BBC allowed these billionaires a free kick. You're angry and sad at the WRONG group of people. You should be absolutely furious that the BBC has walked right into Trump's/Musk's hands. Why aren't you putting the blame where the blame lies? Is it because you are so agenda-driven and ideologically brainwashed you won't ever hold the wrong people to account if they are your 'side'?

That's not how I'm reading this thread. I'm one of the posters who would like to see a root and branch reform of the BBC (or a new organisation with the same remit) and I do not feel remotely isolated here in having this opinion.

Ultimately, as others have said, the BBC brought this on themselves. They have chosen to ignore several internal reports, which is a deliberate decision, not an accidental mistake.

And they were completely idiotic to give Trump ammo against them, and by inference, against all state-supported broadcasting networks that he fancies attacking.

Morally I think the difference is that the Sun did print lies about Hillsborough, but I don't think anyone really questions whether Trump had some culpability in what happened on January 6th.

However, the BBC undermined their credibility and the value of their reporting by manipulating the clip. I think you can make a general point that Trump's rhetoric style contributed to what happened, and perhaps in a dramatisation you would use the fight speech because it has more impact, but this was a documentary programme, not the Crown.

This BBC didn't make 'mistakes'. They made deliberate decisions. Stop trying to minimise what they did. These were no mistakes.

Same as the programme about the Queen when they edited it to make it look as if she had stormed off. However when they were rumbled they were very apologetic - more so than with this latest fiasco.

Of course they are. At least be aware of what they’re selling.

For comparison, from memory, the 2 Panorama programmes on the Post Office used some dramatic techniques to tell the story, and I think it would have been appropriate to intersperse an upbeat speech from management with visuals of news stories of post masters going to prison, but it would have been wrong for them to suggest through editing that a particular speech led directly to a post master going to prison.

They are not propaganda machines. Are you familiar with the ABC? PBS? How about Rossiya 1? Would you like to compare and contrast? One of these channels is nothing like the others.

Mistakes are in no way the same as systematic, ideological propaganda-driven falsities and sugared cruelty.

You are being led by Musk and Trump to think so. Ask yourself why.

Just trying to get the facts straight here - are these statements correct

The BBC did not make the program themselves, it was made by an independent

The BBC got complaints about the program including about the edited speech

The BBC reviewed the program and found no fault ('the edit made it easier for viewers to understand the thrust of Trump's speech' or something similar)

The BBC reviewed the program again and found no fault (again)

The distinction is the BBC are publically funded and are supposed to be impartial.

They are anything but.

Try questioning the output of Rossiya 1 from within Russia - see how long it is before you hear the knock on the door.

I don't think that any news coverage can actually be impartial, you can try to be impartial and be open to criticism.

They ARE propaganda machines. They've just been caught out manipulating video clips for propaganda, and not reporting on a major medical scandal. THAT IS PROPAGANDA!!!

And yes, being in Australia, I know that the ABC sadly is far more captured and more propaganda-driven than the BBC.

You’re being sold a position. It may not be as extreme but it is there.

How - with a straight face - you can attempt to draw a parallel with Russia, I have no idea.

The mind boggles.

Recommend you focus on the BBCs failings - if you wish to save it, of course.

Incidentally, put bias to one side - the BBC actively manipulated reality and the truth.