Tim Davies Resigns - Can Gender Critical Movement take some credit?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15274537/Tim-Davie-RESIGNS-BBC-director-general.html

Yep, thankyou both & hard agree with Edith.

Meanwhile the BBC has spent the whole day trying to pretend that the whole debacle was ‘just’ about the Trump splice.

I have not yet listened...

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To be fair, the BBC employs I don't know how many highly skilled video editors, and the Trump splice looks like it was done by Homer Simpson. There are airbrushed Stalin photos from the 1930s that are more convincing.

On a brighter note, if the BBC does not apologise to Trump, and loses any litigation for damages, it’s only 4.3 million annual licences (ignoring costs and interest, of course).

That’s a terrific use of licence payers money.

You may wish to check if it has a BBC Verify label….

Many of us have had enough of the BBC's lies, manipulation, bias, sex pest coverups and presenters paid £500k for talking shite.

Time for the BBC poll tax to end and they can move to a subscription model.

Remove the compulsion, those who wish to fund it can.

Everyone a coconut.

Completely agree with Bernard Black. The Beeb needs to be set right, but destroying it will just make Britons mindless Americanised serfs even faster. National pride isn’t going to be strengthened by destroying your institutions instead of reforming them!

Well I agree, reform would to preferable to me.
My concern is that for reform to be possible, the BBC first needs to show awareness and insight into where and how things have gone wrong, and I’ve yet to see much sign of that happening.

I thought today would see a full apology from the BBC but instead it's been remarkably mealy-mouthed and I haven't been able to see the sky for the number of flying monkeys there's been.

I take it that you are unfamiliar with far-left calls for prison abolition and the defunding of the police?

I don't see how Trump can succeed. He has to show that his reputation has been damaged. When your reputation was rock bottom to start with, it's impossible to damage it.

‘Editorial guidelines’. 😩

Am keeping en eye on what happens next. If the beeb don’t sort themselves out, I will no longer pay my license fee. This is the crux of the matter - the beeb can do what it wants, but it can’t demand that we subsidise its bias. Hopefully, someone, somewhere will realise this. Soon.

Just been listening to The News Agents on this.

Two things struck me. Firstly so rare that you see high profile people talk about trans stuff in a way even vaguely like we do on here, on fwr. Emily Matliss and Jon Sopel. Not Lewis Goodall I note. Actually quite strange to hear it discussed like that.

Secondly, being kind I could say that they didn't have time, but no mention of why they were scared of doing the piece on the Tavistock clinic that Matliss worked on for Newsnight. When the words they should have used were that they would have been threatened by trans activists. In and out of the BBC. They should have said in no uncertain terms that was why they were fearful.

I dont doubt that trans activists have a hold on the BBC but I really dont think that the BBC as whole is different from society as a whole.

ie the whole nation is buyring newspapers that constantly denigrate "terfs", agree that the Harry Potter franchise should be allowed to go on making money but not acknowledge JKR etc..

And in line with society there are obviously some gender critical people.

It is really delusional to equate concerns about trans dominance in the BBC with concerns about mainstream political bias.

We do ourselves no favours in pretending this.

And people being upset about a news reader being censored for making a face isn't necessarily anything to do with GC sympathies.

The days of the BBC being some remore revered "official" outlet has long gone.

News readers and presenters are almost like friends. The number of newspaper articles about tv presenters is extraordinary.

The supposed hallowed programmes, are now few and far between (look at how dumbed down newsnight is now) and only a small percentage of the public interact with them.

And then quite often it is motivated by wanting to judge it in relation to their own politics.

For instances there were very well researched programmes about the whole Post Office fiasco. But it was only when ITV turned it into a drama that the great British public woke up and paid attention.

I honestly cannot understand why so many of you would happily cheer on Trump threatening your own national broadcaster in this way. Yes, the BBC has made mistakes. Does that mean it should be demolished? I don’t think so. An independent broadcaster such as this must be preserved to avoid all media being saddled with built-in bias.

Elon Musk/Trump/their cabal of billionaires have been working for a few years on the messaging of ‘defund the BBC’ or, in fact, plenty of other countries’ national broadcasters such as the PBS in the US and the ABC in Australia. If any sniff of a scandal occurs, that’s what the bots write on social media until everyone thinks it automatically. Like people on this thread.

Every one of those public broadcasting institutions has been captured, smothered the discussion on all kinds of controversial topics, not just literally creating fake news about Trump, but suppressing discussion on trans issues, the Middle East, women's issues like surrogacy, questions or dissent about government policy on covid, identity politics of race, and goodness knows how many more.

At what point does it begin to look like Trump might be quite right about institutions like these being inherently problematic? And after all, public broadcasters aren't all rosy, in some regimes they are very much used as a way to help control the population. The idea that they are necessarily independent is a little naive.

Precisely because of the depth and breadth of the systemic bias within the BBC - which took a DT led investigation to change things coupled with the POTUS threatening to litigate.

Even then all the messaging from the BBC remains lacking in contrition, and they are being dragged kicking and screaming to admit they lied and manipulated the truth.

The BBC will not change, simply because it is rotten.

It should no longer be permitted to cover current affairs and politics.

I am honestly surprised if you cannot see this, or perhaps you would simply prefer not to accept reality.

My definition of ‘national broadcaster’ is not a North Korean one-channel propaganda machine. By no stretch of the imagination can the BBC, PBS, or ABC be called propaganda machines and you would be delusional to think so. If you did, however, remove broadcasters like this and allow channels like FOX and GB News to thrive - they are much closer in nature to propaganda, and many people haven’t been taught the ability to discern deep bias in news, or detect the difference between opinion and news.

I am saddened, but not surprised, that so many have been so deeply psychologically manipulated by greedy billionaires who don’t care about them and never will.

I can empathise.

I am saddened that the BBC lied and manipulated reality in an attempt to advance its left wing agenda.

We are not here by accident.

The BBC brought this upon themselves.

Yes, yes, everyone who disagrees with you are bots, or psychologically manipulated.

Even if you've been psychologically manipulated to think that, I would suggest it's not a winning argument, if you really believe in the cause you've chosen to purport.

You need to actually deal with the issues, not just lament the inferiority or bad intentions of your opponents.

As indeed does the BBC, and many other institutions, who seem to be staffed with people with their brains stuck in a similar rut.

Just because people are out to get you doesn't mean you're innocent.

True. They had some rope and kept running with it. If only they could self reflect and course correct at any time.

I honestly cannot understand why so many of you would happily cheer on Trump threatening your own national broadcaster in this way. Yes, the BBC has made mistakes.

I can understand this sentiment. There are serious problems, obviously, with the president of the US dictating terms of operation of the BBC or any UK institution. Some on mumsnet feel the rot is so extensive that its a price worth paying.

But there are many who are disgusted with the BBC and, while they don't welcome its destruction or the frontal attacks by Trump, can't help but note that it's a calamity that they brought on themselves in the most ridiculous way imaginable, i.e. the ridicule isn't celebratory but ironic. And for many of both groups the accusations of being in league with the 'extreme right' and beholden to billionaires wears a bit thin.

I'm not cheering it at all.

I observed that Trump demanding 1billion dollars by whenever it was sounds just like Dr Evil.

I don't get where you think I was cheering it from. That's you making great whacking assumptions from nothing.

which took a DT led investigation

I thought it was an internal memo that was later leaked to the DT?