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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

They scraped Mumsnet again.

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ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 17:26

archive.ph/e0u3Z

https://bulletin.appliedtransstudies.org/article/4/1-3/7/

Another data scrape. I'd say it's also defamatory against Mumsnet.

I've archived.

Article is a load of tedious wank, as you'd expect.

'In this study, however, we excavate what it means to write like a GC by analyzing how GC forum users rely on reactionary language and deploy storytelling practices in ways that calcify their anti-trans ideologies as personal and natural while rendering transgender people as anti-feminist, dangerous, and monstrous. To identify how GC groups perform political mythmaking and construct extremist identities, we undertook a computationally assisted discursive analysis of two popular GC forums: Ovarit and Mumsnet’s “Feminism: Sex & Gender” board (abbreviated to “FSG”). Through comparative platform discourse analysis, we analyzed over 80k posts and comments scraped from Ovarit and over 60k posts and comments scraped from Mumsnet (Burgess and Matamoros-Fernández 2016; Lewis and Marwick 2017)'

The only mildly amusing thing about it is the name of the Journal.

BATS.

“I Took a Deep Breath and Came Out as GC”: Gender Critical Storytelling, Radicalization, and Discursive Practice on Ovarit and Mumsnet

Following the closure of the anti-trans subreddit r/GenderCritical, gender critical (GC) internet users have migrated to more obscure, invite-only spaces. A side-effect of this GC dispersal is that activity in online anti-trans spaces has become increa...

https://bulletin.appliedtransstudies.org/article/4/1-3/7/

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BlueEyedBogWitch · 08/11/2025 17:35

It’s flattering, really.

<twirls>

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 17:35

PB Berge also has studied transphobia in Dungeons and Dragons. Bless him.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/15554120231204145

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BlueEyedBogWitch · 08/11/2025 17:36

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 17:35

PB Berge also has studied transphobia in Dungeons and Dragons. Bless him.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/15554120231204145

Nnnnawwww.

He’ll be on Only Connect soon.

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 17:36

The other chap writes a lot about video games.

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ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 17:36

Honestly, lads, why don't you fuck off and do something useful with your lives, instead of creeping on women online?

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DialSquare · 08/11/2025 17:37
Mean Girls Stalker GIF

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ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 17:38

'Data Collection

This study relied on a computationally-assisted discourse analysis of data collected from FSG and Ovarit using Python notebooks developed by one of the authors. Data from each platform was collected and analyzed separately, using the means below.
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Mumsnet

Mumsnet posts within the FSG board are organized in a single feed. While Ovarit has forum subcategories (circles), FSG is a subforum itself, and does not have subcategories. Given that the discussion on FSG regularly involves trans- and gender-related subjects, it was likewise important to grab a wide sample. We scraped the most recent 3,767 threads and an accompanying 57,791 comments.5 In each case, the text, username, datetime, post type, and thread URL were collected. Data was collected in April of 2024.'

“I Took a Deep Breath and Came Out as GC”: Gender Critical Storytelling, Radicalization, and Discursive Practice on Ovarit and Mumsnet

Following the closure of the anti-trans subreddit r/GenderCritical, gender critical (GC) internet users have migrated to more obscure, invite-only spaces. A side-effect of this GC dispersal is that activity in online anti-trans spaces has become increa...

https://bulletin.appliedtransstudies.org/article/4/1-3/7/#fn5

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LittleGreenDuck · 08/11/2025 17:38

It's Actually Romantic.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 08/11/2025 17:42

The tragedy is that MN as a whole is an amazing resource of autobiographical content and discussion from real women about what they experience and what they care about unmediated by the need to accomodate the usual male audience's sensitivities.

If only they'd bother to scrape IABU and Relationships, they might finally start to fucking understand what living as a woman really means.

But I guess that would force them to recognise the real reason feminists are rejecting trans women's projected ideas of "womanhood", and that's the last thing they want to do.

Much better to keep repeating their own "storytelling" of feminist women inexplicably being radicalised to transphobic hatred.

Toseland · 08/11/2025 17:44

I guess if they learn the lingo they can infiltrate terfdom and AI better.

moto748e · 08/11/2025 17:45

So is this legal?

Jollyjoy · 08/11/2025 17:47

‘Tedious wank’ should be the abstract!

Magpiecomplex · 08/11/2025 17:48

I'm looking forward to what they do with data scraped since the Bluestocking threads started.

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 17:49

moto748e · 08/11/2025 17:45

So is this legal?

I believe it breaks the T&Cs. I'll make a thread in Site stuff later.

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INeedAPensieve · 08/11/2025 17:49

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ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 17:49

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Fidelius · 08/11/2025 17:51

"narrativize"?
Everything I hate about language mangling and pseudo-intellectual knobheads summarised in this one gargle of a word.

EdithStourton · 08/11/2025 17:52

Madison is a bloke, yeah?
<waves> in case he scrapes again.

100% agree with @FlirtsWithRhinos that a spot of work on AIBU and Relationships would give them all a MUCH clearer idea of what it's like being a woman than spying on this board.

And @ArabellaSaurus is bang on about the tedious wank. Isn't it just?
'This study is a part of a multi-year investigation into anti-trans forums and is the first of two publications of our findings. Our analysis suggests that GC community forums are not isolated zones of anti-trans sentiment but culturally diffusive centers wherein users learn, practice, and proliferate anti-trans discursive habits.'
Yawn.
I wouldn't call myself anti-trans. If you want be trans, fill your boots. Just don't involve minors, and if you're a bloke, stay out of women's spaces and sports.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/11/2025 17:53

Something tells me this is not a peer reviewed academic journal. I hope I'm right about that! I wouldn't like to think that somebody's academic reputation is being enhanced by this drivel.

EdithStourton · 08/11/2025 17:53

Magpiecomplex · 08/11/2025 17:48

I'm looking forward to what they do with data scraped since the Bluestocking threads started.

😂😂😂
I hope the Bluey blows their brains.
Gnawmi and Gubbins and all...

DialSquare · 08/11/2025 17:54

It’s just another long winded tedious example of men who can’t accept the word no.

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 17:55

EdithStourton · 08/11/2025 17:52

Madison is a bloke, yeah?
<waves> in case he scrapes again.

100% agree with @FlirtsWithRhinos that a spot of work on AIBU and Relationships would give them all a MUCH clearer idea of what it's like being a woman than spying on this board.

And @ArabellaSaurus is bang on about the tedious wank. Isn't it just?
'This study is a part of a multi-year investigation into anti-trans forums and is the first of two publications of our findings. Our analysis suggests that GC community forums are not isolated zones of anti-trans sentiment but culturally diffusive centers wherein users learn, practice, and proliferate anti-trans discursive habits.'
Yawn.
I wouldn't call myself anti-trans. If you want be trans, fill your boots. Just don't involve minors, and if you're a bloke, stay out of women's spaces and sports.

It's just all such a technicolour waste of time.

But they're not interested in what it's like to 'be a woman'. They're interested in a pornified caricature of 'femininity'. As has been noted, they hate actual women because reality is a yuck that spoils their yum. They want fully pneumatic, entirely sexualised ciphers that offer gratification. They don't see women as humans at all, just service bots that and perform obsequious 'validation' services on demand and stay quiet otherwise.

They HATE that women think and talk. It spoils the fantasy.

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Anarkandanaardvark · 08/11/2025 17:58

It always make makes me a laugh when women (most of whom are mothers) are described as "radicalized" for.....recognizing that sex is based on reality and impacts our lives in real and important ways that go beyond what men who like to think they are women experience. We are not the ones who have been radicalized! We are literally experiencing what our mothers and grandmothers have experienced since the dawn of time. I very much doubt this "research" would have been accepted for publication in any mainstream journal.