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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

They scraped Mumsnet again.

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ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 17:26

archive.ph/e0u3Z

https://bulletin.appliedtransstudies.org/article/4/1-3/7/

Another data scrape. I'd say it's also defamatory against Mumsnet.

I've archived.

Article is a load of tedious wank, as you'd expect.

'In this study, however, we excavate what it means to write like a GC by analyzing how GC forum users rely on reactionary language and deploy storytelling practices in ways that calcify their anti-trans ideologies as personal and natural while rendering transgender people as anti-feminist, dangerous, and monstrous. To identify how GC groups perform political mythmaking and construct extremist identities, we undertook a computationally assisted discursive analysis of two popular GC forums: Ovarit and Mumsnet’s “Feminism: Sex & Gender” board (abbreviated to “FSG”). Through comparative platform discourse analysis, we analyzed over 80k posts and comments scraped from Ovarit and over 60k posts and comments scraped from Mumsnet (Burgess and Matamoros-Fernández 2016; Lewis and Marwick 2017)'

The only mildly amusing thing about it is the name of the Journal.

BATS.

“I Took a Deep Breath and Came Out as GC”: Gender Critical Storytelling, Radicalization, and Discursive Practice on Ovarit and Mumsnet

Following the closure of the anti-trans subreddit r/GenderCritical, gender critical (GC) internet users have migrated to more obscure, invite-only spaces. A side-effect of this GC dispersal is that activity in online anti-trans spaces has become increa...

https://bulletin.appliedtransstudies.org/article/4/1-3/7/

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OneCraftyMentor · 08/11/2025 18:45

I would have thought that it counts as slander.

The usual "gender critical" (which I didn't see described anywhere) being equated with "anti-trans".

Claims that terms that mumsnet users use like trans identified male are inherently anti trans.

GummyBearette · 08/11/2025 18:46

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 17:38

'Data Collection

This study relied on a computationally-assisted discourse analysis of data collected from FSG and Ovarit using Python notebooks developed by one of the authors. Data from each platform was collected and analyzed separately, using the means below.
...
Mumsnet

Mumsnet posts within the FSG board are organized in a single feed. While Ovarit has forum subcategories (circles), FSG is a subforum itself, and does not have subcategories. Given that the discussion on FSG regularly involves trans- and gender-related subjects, it was likewise important to grab a wide sample. We scraped the most recent 3,767 threads and an accompanying 57,791 comments.5 In each case, the text, username, datetime, post type, and thread URL were collected. Data was collected in April of 2024.'

Using their little pythons again.

CraftandGlamour · 08/11/2025 18:48

If it sounds BATS and acts BATS it's completely BATS.

Sadly, I think these young men really need to go outside, touch grass, breathe fresh air and, crucially, get off the computers and phones that are curdling their brains and destroying any hope of having a life well lived. It's all rather tragic.

plantcomplex · 08/11/2025 18:48

It's just abusive men abusing women again. Same old.

theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 08/11/2025 18:52

GC posters create and share narratives of their own radicalization (or “peaking”) to sanitize their extremism as personal and epistemic. GC posters demonstrated savvy, well-refined storytelling practices that framed their radicalization as affective and individual, further ensconcing their political identity through stories of self-enlightenment.

(Preens.)

Cart before horse, isn't it?

SnoopyPajamas · 08/11/2025 18:53

If we've been "calcified", I can only assume the author of the study is suffering the reverse: osteoporosis of thought. His insufficiently hardened thinking has resulted in a localised porosity of the skull.

Fascinating stuff. Just fascinating.

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 19:01

GummyBearette · 08/11/2025 18:46

Using their little pythons again.

Pythons V Vipers LETS GO

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ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 19:04

Institutional Herpetology: A Preliminary Study
Abstract:
Recent surveys reveal an ecological imbalance within academic environments, where Pythons (verbose, self-referential males in theoretical plumage) increasingly displace Vipers (experienced females exhibiting concise intellectual strike capacity).
Findings:
Pythons dominate via constrictive discourse — endless loops of citation that immobilise meaning. Vipers rely on venom: brevity, evidence, and memory. Administrative climates now cultivate the Python temperament, rewarding performance over precision.
Conclusion:
While Pythons generate impressive coils of language, they seldom produce movement. Vipers, though endangered, remain the only species capable of puncturing the fabric of institutional fog.

(see also: Departmental Minutes, passim)

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spannasaurus · 08/11/2025 19:06

@ArabellaSaurus That's brilliant 👏

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 19:07

It's ChatGPT!

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Shortshriftandlethal · 08/11/2025 19:10

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 17:33

A typical nerdy male profile and catalogue of interests.

Boiledbeetle · 08/11/2025 19:20

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 19:07

It's ChatGPT!

I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!

You'd never catch me using AI!!

<Keeps fingers behind back tightly crossed>

KittyWilkinson · 08/11/2025 19:27

They are like moths to our eternal flame.

It never ends well for the moths.

IwantToRetire · 08/11/2025 19:28

Sorry no time to read thread in full but will come back as important.

And yes please, do highlight on site stuff.

But as a first impression it looks like they just set out to "affirm" their believes.

ie challenging the notion of work, that to question trans ideology is right wing, all the usual - and hate to say it so american virtually useless in terms of FWR (why FSG?) as they clear dont understand the use of english in the UK.

KateShugakIsALegend · 08/11/2025 19:33

Shortshriftandlethal · 08/11/2025 19:10

A typical nerdy male profile and catalogue of interests.

Yup

hellowhaaat3632 · 08/11/2025 19:33

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 18:07

I suppose it's territorial pissing, really. A form of voyeurism, an attempt to control. It's just another form of misogynist behaviour.

Yup typical male behaviour

Justme56 · 08/11/2025 19:36

The PB Berge is short for Persephone Blue. Probably shouldn’t ask but what is the difference between trans gaming and other types of gaming?

KateShugakIsALegend · 08/11/2025 19:37

"gender critical (GC) internet users have migrated to more obscure, invite-only spaces."

Eh? Where's my invite?

hellowhaaat3632 · 08/11/2025 19:40

Ugh to reading it - pseudo-science written by pseudo-women - definitely batshit

Where's the reference to the "international wave of political and physical violence against transgender people"?

Do they give PhDs to anyone these days or can you identify into it?

KateShugakIsALegend · 08/11/2025 19:44

FlirtsWithRhinos · 08/11/2025 17:42

The tragedy is that MN as a whole is an amazing resource of autobiographical content and discussion from real women about what they experience and what they care about unmediated by the need to accomodate the usual male audience's sensitivities.

If only they'd bother to scrape IABU and Relationships, they might finally start to fucking understand what living as a woman really means.

But I guess that would force them to recognise the real reason feminists are rejecting trans women's projected ideas of "womanhood", and that's the last thing they want to do.

Much better to keep repeating their own "storytelling" of feminist women inexplicably being radicalised to transphobic hatred.

This. This. This.

This 'study' is just self obsession by two sad, sad souls.

There is NO INTEREST in the other boards, in our lives, in the impact of men's actions on women. Just zero.

It's a 14 year-old's level of maturity: Me! Me! Me!

A bit of daylight and actual socialising would do the authors no end of good.

Boiledbeetle · 08/11/2025 19:44

Justme56 · 08/11/2025 19:36

The PB Berge is short for Persephone Blue. Probably shouldn’t ask but what is the difference between trans gaming and other types of gaming?

How many hands are on on the games controller and how many under the desk?

ArabellaSaurus · 08/11/2025 19:53

From article credits:

'Acknowledgments
The authors would like to thank the special issue editors as well as our anonymized reviewers who provided insightful and crucial feedback. They also extend thanks to the panelists and attendees at the 2024 Association of Internet Researchers conference in Sheffield, who discussed this work with us. Finally, they extend love and gratitude to their friends, pets, and partners, who supported them through a deeply challenging research project.'

It's published on that site, too:

https://spir.aoir.org/ojs/index.php/spir/article/view/13903

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DeanElderberry · 08/11/2025 19:56

I'd have thought they were less incel wankers and more wanky incels, but hey, potato potato. Or scone scone.

KateShugakIsALegend · 08/11/2025 20:03

Dear Madison, scrape this:

You can't change facts, so instead of accepting who you actually are, you try to bully SOME of the people who don't agree with your views.

You don't pick on the men, the mainstream newspapers, the religious clerics. You pick on women.

I look forward to your next paper scraping Islamic views on trans. Will you start with Hamas?

I don't hate you. But I do feel very, very sorry for you, and hope that you find a happier path in life.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 08/11/2025 20:04

Anyway I'm not GC. I'm TransQueer. I'm so far beyond their rigid CisQueer thinking their minds can't even grasp my truths. All they can properly do is listen and obey.

(That's how this self defined identity thing works, right? The fact of declaring it emmanates it as a real fact not just for me but for everyone else as well, yes? And if anyone happens disagree with their newly imposed identity then it's hate on their part and can be rightfully ignored? Good, thought so. TransQueer it is then!)