Girlguiding faces legal action from parent over trans policy

[Misla]

Good. Well done that parent!

Charity is accused of failing to follow Supreme Court ruling on gender, leaving girls ‘exposed to harassment’

Girlguiding is facing legal action from a parent over its transgender policy which she claims discriminates against her seven-year-old daughter.

The claimant, who has asked to remain anonymous to protect her daughter’s identity, has alleged in a pre-action letter to Girlguiding that the organisation’s policy “exposes girls to harassment”.

Under the policy, trans girls — boys who identify as girls — are allowed to join Girlguiding, and trans women — adult males who identify as female — are permitted to undertake volunteer roles previously reserved for women.

“It constitutes and encourages unwanted conduct which violates their [girls’] dignity or creates an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment,” the correspondence said.

“This includes, but is not limited to: sharing toilets, showers or changing facilities with boys, contact sports with boys, and sharing accommodation with boys, all without their prior knowledge or consent.”

The letter goes on to point out that Girlguiding operates “as a charity for the benefit of girls and young women”.

Girlguiding faces legal action from parent over trans policy

Because if you accept that males can be lesbians you are homophobic and erase all legal protections for lesbians.

Hth.

I would just like to express my gratitude to all the women who respond so effectively on these threads - I wish I had the ability to verbalise in the same way as some of the responses I am seeing!

Which is basically the premise the SC recognised in saying that sex is not the same as gender reassignment and that sex remains relevant in law and in other practical applications.

Btw the same point also protects trans people.
Without it, all transpeople lose all legal protections because you can't identify who the transpeople are if you can't see sex in law.

Guiding was originally set up for girls and young women- every time members have been asked if boys should be allowed to join, the answer has been a resounding “no

Exactly scouts are mixed.

All Guiding had to do was become mixed.

They are putting girls and women at risk as well as discriminating against males who don't say they are female. None of it makes sense. It's not even pro-male, it's only pro a certain type of male.

And are not the problem anyway.

The people who are the problem are the trans identifying Guide Leaders. There is no world in which a male bodied trans identifying Guide leader has a benign intent. A genuine trans identifying person would volunteer with the scouts instead. Or at parkrun. Or a chess club. Anything mixed-sex.

My association with guides has finally ended after nearly 3 decades. I can't take the gaslighting any more. Trans girls are male bodied and girls deserve to have safe spaces away from male bodies. Spaces that they can relax and be themselves. Just one trans girl in that space takes that freedom away from every single girl in there.

Women and girls are a distinct sex class and as such deserve rights to spaces away from the male sex class.

Yep. Sounds like another one who has skin in the game. Particularly the constant mention of “trans girls”.

It's beyond the scope of this thread. But I'm nearly there myself, it's not just the trans issues, in fact that's the least of it in a lot of ways. But the huge disconnect between HQ and us on the ground. Probably warrants a thread of its own.

“Giving them access to a safe, affirming environment harms no one and helps them thrive”

What you are asking for in an ‘affirming environment’ is to remove single spaces for all females.

If I (a white woman) identified as a black person like Rachel Dozeal (sp?) and wanted to be in an affirming environment so went along to my local Black Community Centre for example. It’s a confusing time for me. I wear Nigerian print dresses and use sunbeds to present and live in my identity. I listen to Niga afrobeats. What do you think makes more sense -

(a) they should affirm my race dysphoria
(b) they should say this is a place for Black people and you don’t fit the category. There are lots of organizations where you can join so please connect with them.

I would posit I am harming the Black Community Centre because I am forcing to have them play along with my dysphoria (despite it being very obvious and likely offensive/ exaggerated/ inauthentic cosplay) or making them enforce a healthy boundary which I then use to abuse them.

Your suggestion harms everyone. It harms the person with dysphoria and the group who has the actual identity the dysphoric person is trying to appropriate.

I don't think a trans girl Brownie is a threat. They're literally under 10 years old.

If you think a 10 year old is threat to girls just because they were born male. You're not for women's rights. You're just sexist.

Guides takes girls up to the age of 18

From the captured NHS web pages - they’d disagree your ten year old boy can be trans. Just a normal part of development that you would pathologise.

In your case it’s likely parents pathologising the child and making all single sex space mixed space to affirm their belief in gender identity theory.

Not sure 10 year old girls should be props for a belief system.

“Children and gender identity

Children may show an interest in clothes or toys that society tells us are more often associated with the opposite gender. They may be unhappy with their physical sex characteristics.

However, this type of behaviour is reasonably common in childhood and is part of growing up. It does not mean that all children behaving this way have gender dysphoria or other gender identity issues.

A small number of children may feel lasting and severe distress, which gets worse as they get older. This often happens around puberty, when young people might feel that their physical appearance does not match their gender identity.”

And you literally clearly have no idea what you're talking about. This thread is about Guides, not Brownies.

And, as a PP says, 10 year old boys can be a threat. Maybe Google a bit first, so as not to embarrass yourself?

So why aren’t 10 year old boys who don’t think they are girls, not allowed to join?

That 9 year old becomes 10, then 11, 12,13,14 at which point do you think it makes a difference?

It sounds like you had a girl who believed in some harmful theories but grew out of it before any harm was done. Phew!

A child under 10 who thinks they're born in the wrong body and are really the opposite sex is a child who is not being safeguarded by the adults around them.

Sex change / transgender ideology is an adult belief that children are intellectually and emotionally unable to navigate.

Guides is to 14... :|

That's what I'm asking.

At what point does a child become a threat to other children. And why?

Guides is up to 14.

That's what I'm asking.

At what point does a child become a threat to other children. And why?

So can 10 year old girls.

So why the focus on a small number of boys and not harmful behaviours and beliefs. Like hatred, bullying and harmful online content/violent content.

@Lowzi
Guides is for females.
Female spaces exclude all males.
whatever their age or preference

To differentiate itself from the mixed sex scouts and precursors to it.

(I did scouts. I was never harmed by any one. Despite males both young and old being present).

There are plenty of incidents of sexual assault happening in primary schools unfortunately.

Perhaps you would like to keep in touch with reality on this. It's been extensively reported in the press just how young some kids who are behaving this way are.