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Katie Lam and Pochin from Reform spouting stuff that makes me feel sick. Looking at all the glossy goons like Kristi Noem and Pam Bondi surrounding Trump. I am predicting that Erica Kirk will be the first woman President or perhaps more likely Vance’s Vice President. I’m not talking about women who would like to pay less tax, or Theresa May, but those who rise in extreme right wing circles.

I’m working my way extremely slowly through Andrea Dworkin’s ‘Right Wing Women’. Has anyone else read it? I don’t have any conclusions about this yet…

yes

this whole 'lie to the plebs for the greater good' thing is a disaster. who votes for people who treat you with that level of disrespect? not me, that's for damn sure

Tell me, where they wrong to be concerned that information about grooming gangs getting out could set back race relations in the country decades, possibly even centuries?

Of course they weren’t, look at the state of the country now. Thanks to online hate sites like X Muslims are afraid for their lives in modern Britain, and every time an incident happens, yet more people turn on them, even when it turns out that it had nothing to do with their community in the first place.

Why would you trust the public with information that could result in more hate to our most persecuted minority group?

Or they could have just arrested them and made sure that every single rapist had his face in the newspaper so everyone would know what he is. A child rapist.

The idea that after you gang rape a child what you need is a good talking to by the local imam instead of a prison sentence is just sick. It really is. These men were RAPING CHILDREN.

Jesus christ have you no morals?

Harris is not an appealing prospect for the majority of voters.

For the love of god, learn from your mistakes.

Literally what happened in Rotherham was that this was treated as a "Muslim issue" and subcontracted out to the deputy leader of the council, many of whose family members were culpable.

Do you see why sweeping it under the carpet doesn't work?

how's life in the web brigade these days comrade?

you're not very good at it by the way

too obvious

Yeah thats so shameless it couldn’t possibly be real, good catch.

Even in his most excitable moments, Enoch Powell never predicted anything like Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council.

If he had, his friends on the Conservative right would have said, "Calm down, Enoch, you've got a bit too caffeinated here."

This might be the biggest political/policing/legal scandal in modern British history. It's no wonder at least half of the government want to kick it into the long grass. Which is why we can't let them off with doing that YET AGAIN.

Absolutely, the additional information about gangs operating in London makes it all the more important.

So you think that the first problem here was not the Pakistani rape gangs themselves, but parents and communities being angry at the unbelievable level of coverup and complicity within the authorities that we pay to protect our vulnerable.

And then you are advocating for the community leaders to deal with it when in many cases they were also complicit or at best have a serious conflict of interests.

The people threatening the stability of our nation are not the people objecting to rape gangs hurting thousands of girls with near impunity, it is those responsible for the rapes and cover ups.

One day you will come down from your self righteous high and understand the reality.

Good call.

TBH I doubt that it's Russian trolls turning up here to say there's no problem.

More likely it's Labour stans primed by Morgan McSweeney to believe there would be no problem if not for Russian trolls publicising the scandal.

There is absolutely no way that poster is genuinely advocating for the Labour Party. I have too much respect for humans in general to believe that. It’s some sort of incredibly clumsy subterfuge. Heaven knows what their genuine agenda is though

Maybe my experience with lefty activist culture has made me a cynic, but I'm quite prepared to believe that Labour Party partisans would say something incredibly stupid to defend their tribe.

We used to have quite a regular posse singing the praises of the great Sir Keir. We don't often hear that now, but I would guess the regular "you're all Tommy fangirls" threads might come from a similar place.

I can believe that one, there was a post on another thread that was singing the praises of Communists China over democratic Taiwan. It must mean MN has hit the big time, if Putin/Xi's minions are trying to stir up trouble on it. 😂

Maybe Reform have their own Psyops unit.

😂

genuinely a scary thought

I'm not a member of Reform, but I know enough people who are to have got a few earfuls about what they think of the party comms team.

All Reform really need to to, and all they're really doing, is to say "You know this big scandal? Labour don't want anyone to talk about it."

That's all you need.

I actually think using right wing or nazi as a slur has lost it’s power because it’s been misused. I actually think this is pretty awful because there are some genuinely racist people out there and they shoukd be called out for it. But we’ve got to the point where people can say “ah yes but they call anyone who doesn’t agree with them a racist of a nazi”. The left have actually managed to de-sensitise the country to racism. If everything is racism then nothing is racism.

It’s a crying fucking shame because now genuine racists (not just people you disagree with) will absolutely be able to amplify their messages more easily. Slow clap for the idiots on the left who achieved this.

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Advetising is the ultimate expression of commercial reality. If there are more people of colour in adverts - I’d certainly say there are compared to my youth in the 70s and 80s - it’s because it sells.

This feels too reductive: the idea commercial life perfectly tracks profit and always gets it right. If there are no women in the boardroom, that’s not proof women are ‘uncommercial’.

Advertising is also a cultural product and culture has waves and influences. I suspect the racial make-up of adverts relates to a few things:

One quite benign:

i) if ads want to represent multiple groups, for good commercial reasons, then unless you have dozens of people in each ad then you will end up over representing minorities.

However the fact that in UK ads black people are significant over-represented relative to other ethnic minorities (out of proportion to population share even of non-whites, and out of proportion to spending power) suggests to me that:

ii) advertising creatives live disproportionately in London

iii) we absorb US culture, which has a very different population share and history.

I don’t think ii and iii are particularly ‘good’ reasons. Doesn’t mean it’s a massive problem in the grand scheme of things, but I also think someone saying “you bang on about fair representation and how important it is, but don’t represent my group fairly” is not a far-right position. It’s basically a call to practice what you preach.

(No idea about that particular MP — she may well be awful. But the sentiment is perfectly coherent and not even necessarily right wing).

And with all the turmoil that the impending climate crisis and trying to achive net zero carbon emissions will entail, I don't think we can afford all the things on your wish list

Quite, we can’t afford it now (even though the U.K. wasn’t exactly in a great shape in 1945). These days I’d accept a (small c) conservative government of Competent (big C) people who stand for something, are honest with the public and take accountability when shit goes wrong

You have failed to understand that the people harming ‘race relations’ are the Pakistani men targeting white girls to rape and their power to have these things covered up by the authorities.

This Mumsnet ‘education programme’ you claimed to be running to show us the error of our ways isn’t going very well is it.

@Swiftasthewind have I understood this correctly

You think the community elders should have been informed and dealt with the situation

But you you don't mention the police. Does that mean you didn't want legal repercussions for this?

If you are seriously advocating for men to escape the law when they have abused children, then I am very worried

Please tell me I have misunderstood

I’ve had dozens of private messages thanking me for my perseverance in dealing with some of the rhetoric surrounding these issues and combating dangerous narratives about asylum seekers and migrants. I don’t say that because I want to brag or come across as some kind of bigshot but comments like yours have left me no choice but to respond in kind. I think I’ve held my own rather well all things considered.

I don't really care much if the images we have of people aren't entirely reflective of the population. There is something to be said for people "seeing themselves" I suppose, but I don't give huge weight to that.

I don't expect things like commercials to be exact representations, either, there are a number of valid reasons they will not be. But it is noticeable when it becomes really out of whack and I do sometimes think that is the case now.

I do worry about the opportunities for actors being racially weighted, in the very same way that I think it used to be a problem for actors who were not white. And not just the jobs, but access to educational opportunities and internships and all the things talented young actors need to get into the business at the beginning.