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PermanentTemporary · 26/10/2025 10:37

Katie Lam and Pochin from Reform spouting stuff that makes me feel sick. Looking at all the glossy goons like Kristi Noem and Pam Bondi surrounding Trump. I am predicting that Erica Kirk will be the first woman President or perhaps more likely Vance’s Vice President. I’m not talking about women who would like to pay less tax, or Theresa May, but those who rise in extreme right wing circles.

I’m working my way extremely slowly through Andrea Dworkin’s ‘Right Wing Women’. Has anyone else read it? I don’t have any conclusions about this yet…

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timesublimelysilencesthewhys · 27/10/2025 13:58

Theres an assumption that the victims of crimes, and their communities will be happy for parallel self governed punishment given by the perpetrators community.

Why would communities who politicans fear would riot because of crimes, not riot if the perpetrators are seen not to face the law?

The idea that rapes, torture and murder can be suppressed with the internet, is bonkers.

RoostingHens · 27/10/2025 14:01

Swift’s assumption is it is the girls who are the problem.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/10/2025 14:01

ArabellaSaurus · 27/10/2025 13:09

Hear, hear.

'the authorities were concerned about racists using the gangs as a way to sow discord amongst white and Pakistani communities. I feel like that is a sensible concern. Had they dealt with the problem in house, spoken to community leaders and convinced them to deal with the gangs internally, then there would never have been an issue for the far right to jump all over in the first place'

An absolutely chilling statement. God forbid anyone cause discord by talking about abuse, especially women.

What sex are the 'community leaders'?

This entire hypothetical scenario is people by males only. Male gangs, male racists, male community leaders.

The women are just the 'issue', an inconvenient noise banging on about being abused.

If the men had just not raped and abused women, and then failed to investigate, and then actively covered it all up, and then tried to cover up the cover up, that's when there wouldn't have been a fucking 'issue'.

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Blahdiblahblahr · 27/10/2025 14:02

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 26/10/2025 12:27

I always feel the thing that women who are pro women’s rights and know that sex is real should bear in mind is the enemy of my enemy is not my friend
These ring wing Americans may be on the same page when it comes to trans women aren’t actually women, but the only thing they hate more than TW are actual women and their bodily autonomy

THIS.

People who think the likes of Trump or Stephen Yaxley-Lennon give a farthing for women’s rights have another thing coming.

Makes me really worried seeing feminists cosying up to these folks on the trans issue where there is so much more that divides us.

EasternStandard · 27/10/2025 14:03

RoostingHens · 27/10/2025 14:01

Swift’s assumption is it is the girls who are the problem.

Awful. Especially on the feminist board.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/10/2025 14:04

Who are these mythical people here who think Trump or Tommy Robinson “give a farthing for women’s rights”, exactly?

RoamingToaster · 27/10/2025 14:08

I’ve never been totally loyal to any political party or ideology and I hope I’m never that way. It leads to the most bizarre rationales like excusing people covering up and not investigating the rape of children. 🤯

WarriorN · 27/10/2025 14:09

WarriorN · 27/10/2025 13:56

and I must note that Pochin in mentioned in this report as being “right” regarding banning face coverings.

I’m personally still conflicted on that in realist terms but the reasoning within the report is very firm and from a feminist stance.

WarriorN · 27/10/2025 14:13

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/10/2025 14:04

Who are these mythical people here who think Trump or Tommy Robinson “give a farthing for women’s rights”, exactly?

course they don’t!

TR is grifter supreme. He spots opportunities.

like hiring Sammy Woodhouse as his reporter. And we wonder where “right wing” women come from?

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 27/10/2025 14:28

RoostingHens · 27/10/2025 08:42

When you look at British history, and the things we’ve done to other countries, if you don’t hate your country because of that then you must seriously lack empathy. We’ve taken way more from the world than we have given, and things like DEI are little steps in the right direction at addressing the balance.

This is such a biased view of British history and that of other countries but one that seems prevalent amongst DEI types. I do also wonder if it reflects their immigration status (as in family immigrated within a couple of generations) as it ignores even recent British history. The suffering of the people of Britain in both world wars is completely ignored - 6% of adult males died in the First World War, the suffering of those in city slums by industrialisation, the history of serfdom, of being colonised or being taken as slaves by countries from Scandinavia to Africa and Asia… It also ignores the colonisation and empires of other countries around the globe such as Ottoman Empire, the Mongol empire, the Roman Empire, the Mughal empire, or African empires that controlled the slavery trade which principally went east (including slaves captured from Europe). Or the tens of millions killed and the genocides under various Islamic caliphates.

It also suggests that DEI is used yo
punish British people for crimes of not their ancestors but their historic overlords. No wonder people hate it!

This hit a chord - as I was going round second musum of the day in Wales on Saturday reading yet another batch of this of this intermixed with actual history an I realised how sick to death of this shit I am.

We're in Wales - a part of the country that has long history of tring to hold onto lanaguage and traditions from English overloards - yet even here it's everywhere.

DH and I are working class - centuries when anyone traced back - I have welsh ancestor - DH irish escaping pottaoe famine - all of our english ancesteror were poor to doing okay but still working class - FIL has ancestor who died in work houses.

So why can't we take our kids to see cultrual capital without endless messing about how privileged and evil we all are.

I think it comes from the US - the desperate need to make their social issues the British Empires fault. They were ones who were desperate to make Cleopatra black rather than Macedonian Greek with syrian blood - but ingore Queen Amanirenas black queen of Kush who lost an eye but beat the Romans back persevering her countries independence and stopping the Roman Empire continues expansion into southern africa.

TheKeatingFive · 27/10/2025 14:34

Blahdiblahblahr · 27/10/2025 14:02

THIS.

People who think the likes of Trump or Stephen Yaxley-Lennon give a farthing for women’s rights have another thing coming.

Makes me really worried seeing feminists cosying up to these folks on the trans issue where there is so much more that divides us.

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And just who do you think is doing that?

Easytoconfuse · 27/10/2025 14:41

Blahdiblahblahr · 27/10/2025 14:02

THIS.

People who think the likes of Trump or Stephen Yaxley-Lennon give a farthing for women’s rights have another thing coming.

Makes me really worried seeing feminists cosying up to these folks on the trans issue where there is so much more that divides us.

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That's interesting. It makes me really worried when I see the left wing cosying up to transgender activists because I can never, ever forgive the people who allowed the public sector to put Stonewall Law ahead of the law of the country and who continue to do it even now that the law has been clarified..

In the case of the Darlington Nurses, 20 women were made to feel uncomfortable by a man in their changing rooms and the answer was for them to be trained in kindness by the man in question. AFAIK no one sugested that they trained him in changing room etiquette. I don't like that rights exchange rate and I don't think much of anyone who does.

RoostingHens · 27/10/2025 14:51

I think there is a difference to the routes the left and right are taking with their approach women. The right are fairly straightforward misogynists. They know what women are. The left are seeking to destroy the very category of women, the data, the spaces, the words, the law that protects us. They are also placating Muslim men who would impose Sharia law (remember Labour government has recently said we should tolerate Sharia courts) and delete women from public life. Of the two options, I prefer the straightforward misogynists as it is easier to see a way back from there.

Maaate · 27/10/2025 14:51

Swiftasthewind · 27/10/2025 13:32

I meant that they should have been punished from within their own community, or if they were to be punished by our own judicial system, then there should have been an injunction on the cases so the prosecutions could have been sealed without the media whipping up racist sentiment.

A lot of people still need to be convinced that multiculturalism is the future for the west and they will never be on board if they get fed narratives about gangs of roving Pakistani men stealing girls from the streets by bad faith actors.

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Like a 2 tier justice system?

NebulousDeadline · 27/10/2025 14:59

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 27/10/2025 14:28

This hit a chord - as I was going round second musum of the day in Wales on Saturday reading yet another batch of this of this intermixed with actual history an I realised how sick to death of this shit I am.

We're in Wales - a part of the country that has long history of tring to hold onto lanaguage and traditions from English overloards - yet even here it's everywhere.

DH and I are working class - centuries when anyone traced back - I have welsh ancestor - DH irish escaping pottaoe famine - all of our english ancesteror were poor to doing okay but still working class - FIL has ancestor who died in work houses.

So why can't we take our kids to see cultrual capital without endless messing about how privileged and evil we all are.

I think it comes from the US - the desperate need to make their social issues the British Empires fault. They were ones who were desperate to make Cleopatra black rather than Macedonian Greek with syrian blood - but ingore Queen Amanirenas black queen of Kush who lost an eye but beat the Romans back persevering her countries independence and stopping the Roman Empire continues expansion into southern africa.

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See also the Civil Service "Guilt of being British" internal meetings that were widely reported recently. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14976357/HMRC-taxman-guilt-british-seminar-diversity-inclusion-Badenoch.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

Fury at HMRC over staff discussion on 'Guilt of Being British'

Civil servants working for the taxman has come under fire after holding a seminar on the 'Guilt of Being British'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14976357/HMRC-taxman-guilt-british-seminar-diversity-inclusion-Badenoch.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 27/10/2025 15:08

Swiftasthewind · 27/10/2025 11:24

When it comes to describing indigenous people of this Island I think it’s a pretty nuanced subject that one cannot truly nail down in one or two posts, but it is my understanding at least that Cheddar man, one of Britains oldest ancestors was essentially ‘black’ as you would describe a person today. The people who inhabit the islands today are derived from a group of people called the Saxons who migrated here from continental Europe, and even amongst the Saxons, some were black. The BBC did an excellent documentary/drama recently on the Anglo Saxons recently that is rather entertaining and definitely corrected me on what I thought I knew about them growing up. Would definitely recommend.

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If the Cheddar Man was black, it was because he didn't wash. The Celts predate the Angles and the Saxon's, 2 different colonisers, by 1000's of years.

I come from a long line of peasants, commoners and slave wage working classers, and on behalf of them all I say you can fuck right off, to repatriations, apologies or anything else you think you're 'owed' by them.

quantumbutterfly · 27/10/2025 15:12

WarriorN · 27/10/2025 14:09

and I must note that Pochin in mentioned in this report as being “right” regarding banning face coverings.

I’m personally still conflicted on that in realist terms but the reasoning within the report is very firm and from a feminist stance.

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Some challenging but necessary recommendations in that report.

Swiftasthewind · 27/10/2025 15:15

Maaate · 27/10/2025 14:51

Like a 2 tier justice system?

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No. They would be punished regardless. But if you’re talking about communities dealing with their own punishments internally, including using tried and true methods that they are used to themselves, then yes I am a huge advocate for that. There is nothing to say that our legal framework is better than any other, and in many ways ours might not be particularly fair or just when it comes to certain minority demographics.

TheKeatingFive · 27/10/2025 15:19

Swiftasthewind · 27/10/2025 15:15

No. They would be punished regardless. But if you’re talking about communities dealing with their own punishments internally, including using tried and true methods that they are used to themselves, then yes I am a huge advocate for that. There is nothing to say that our legal framework is better than any other, and in many ways ours might not be particularly fair or just when it comes to certain minority demographics.

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It's not a question of being better. It is the law of the land. We absolutely cannot have some citizens judged on a different set of rules. I cannot fathom how anyone could argue otherwise.

RoamingToaster · 27/10/2025 15:21

@Swiftasthewind What if the victims don’t want their abusers tried by their own community? Don’t they get a say?
I really do hope you’re a troll. This would be a nightmare if it was enacted. I mean you must have read reports of westerns going to the police about a sexual crime that has happened to them in places like UAE and they end up being the ones arrested for homosexuality, adultery etc

WarriorN · 27/10/2025 15:22

Swiftasthewind · 27/10/2025 15:15

No. They would be punished regardless. But if you’re talking about communities dealing with their own punishments internally, including using tried and true methods that they are used to themselves, then yes I am a huge advocate for that. There is nothing to say that our legal framework is better than any other, and in many ways ours might not be particularly fair or just when it comes to certain minority demographics.

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“ours” is certainly much fairer and more just for women and children.

EasternStandard · 27/10/2025 15:25

Swiftasthewind · 27/10/2025 13:32

I meant that they should have been punished from within their own community, or if they were to be punished by our own judicial system, then there should have been an injunction on the cases so the prosecutions could have been sealed without the media whipping up racist sentiment.

A lot of people still need to be convinced that multiculturalism is the future for the west and they will never be on board if they get fed narratives about gangs of roving Pakistani men stealing girls from the streets by bad faith actors.

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One thing male abusers don’t like is sunlight. That is true.

Your proposal is the last thing women should agree to.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/10/2025 15:31

Swiftasthewind · 27/10/2025 15:15

No. They would be punished regardless. But if you’re talking about communities dealing with their own punishments internally, including using tried and true methods that they are used to themselves, then yes I am a huge advocate for that. There is nothing to say that our legal framework is better than any other, and in many ways ours might not be particularly fair or just when it comes to certain minority demographics.

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So you really are proposing a 2 tier justice system?

Unbelievable

quantumbutterfly · 27/10/2025 15:31

Swiftasthewind · 27/10/2025 15:15

No. They would be punished regardless. But if you’re talking about communities dealing with their own punishments internally, including using tried and true methods that they are used to themselves, then yes I am a huge advocate for that. There is nothing to say that our legal framework is better than any other, and in many ways ours might not be particularly fair or just when it comes to certain minority demographics.

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Tried & true?
Such as?
Marrying your rapist? That happened apparently. To a 15 yr old, in the presence of a social worker.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89ezepnj0jo

A man with straggly dark hair swept back from his face. he also has a moustached and short beard in this police mugshot.

Man who 'married' care home girl, 15, guilty of sex abuse

The victim was sexually abused by groups of men from the age of 13 in West Yorkshire, a court hears.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89ezepnj0jo