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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
RedNine · 10/10/2025 15:35

From the article:

''The court heard Watkin would serve her sentence at a prison for men'' so at least that's something.

I feel for his victim, what an awful experience for him.

Greyskybluesky · 10/10/2025 15:35

It's incredibly disturbing reading that old thread again in light of what's just happened in this court case

LooseCanyon · 10/10/2025 20:47

Sad times on Reddit too 😢

cyborgsophie
5m ago

Such a horrific and appalling decision by the British courts. This entire decision is completely rooted in viewing her as a man, and completely erases her right to privacy about her trans status. And now she will placed in a men's prison for nearly 2 years, and have her life deeply disrupted by being forced to register as a sex offender.
Whenever I see TERFs use artificially inflated statistics about the rate of trans women jailed for sexual crimes I think of how many are women like her, or women forced to rely on survival sex work to survive. Horrific stuff from terf island, as usual 😞

ElidiMoon
1m ago

not to mention the actual sexual assault she will face in a men’s prison. this is barbaric

www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1o3ai17/thornaby_transgender_woman_jailed_for_deception/

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Orpheya · 10/10/2025 20:59

🙄😂

poor chap , so the older chap though it would be ok and all nice heterosexual men will now want him

Orpheya · 10/10/2025 21:06

LooseCanyon · 10/10/2025 20:47

Sad times on Reddit too 😢

cyborgsophie
5m ago

Such a horrific and appalling decision by the British courts. This entire decision is completely rooted in viewing her as a man, and completely erases her right to privacy about her trans status. And now she will placed in a men's prison for nearly 2 years, and have her life deeply disrupted by being forced to register as a sex offender.
Whenever I see TERFs use artificially inflated statistics about the rate of trans women jailed for sexual crimes I think of how many are women like her, or women forced to rely on survival sex work to survive. Horrific stuff from terf island, as usual 😞

ElidiMoon
1m ago

not to mention the actual sexual assault she will face in a men’s prison. this is barbaric

www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1o3ai17/thornaby_transgender_woman_jailed_for_deception/

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what a British dryyyyy dryyyyyyy dryyyyyyy sense of humour. You killed it tonight with this comment, mate

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/10/2025 21:10

LooseCanyon · 10/10/2025 20:47

Sad times on Reddit too 😢

cyborgsophie
5m ago

Such a horrific and appalling decision by the British courts. This entire decision is completely rooted in viewing her as a man, and completely erases her right to privacy about her trans status. And now she will placed in a men's prison for nearly 2 years, and have her life deeply disrupted by being forced to register as a sex offender.
Whenever I see TERFs use artificially inflated statistics about the rate of trans women jailed for sexual crimes I think of how many are women like her, or women forced to rely on survival sex work to survive. Horrific stuff from terf island, as usual 😞

ElidiMoon
1m ago

not to mention the actual sexual assault she will face in a men’s prison. this is barbaric

www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1o3ai17/thornaby_transgender_woman_jailed_for_deception/

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The most telling comment was from the man confused by this judgment and it dawning on him that yes “trans women” are legally considered men.

Bedheadbeachbum · 10/10/2025 21:33

So as soon as a TW transgresses a man, the courts immediately say 'she' is biologically male and dishes out a prison sentence.

Women however have been coerced to call male rapists women, in court, or told they haven't been raped at all like at that hospital because there were no 'men' present.

This is just like Sharon Davis says about sport - the men would simply not put up with it if some injustice was being done to them.

Bedheadbeachbum · 10/10/2025 21:35

Also, no woman would be taken to court for not being female. This person is male and saying 'she', etc, this just proves the point, it's baffling doublespeak. They'll be lots of blood boiling over this though from the TRA side though no doubt.

NellieElephantine · 10/10/2025 21:44

Theeyeballsinthesky · 10/10/2025 13:31

If nothing else it's a good demo of just how much work filters do in the TW cause! So often we're told on here about how sooo many TW pass and honestly I think it's because ppl see photos like the one on the left....

Still clearly a male!!

PaterPower · 10/10/2025 21:44

Bet this gets recorded as a case of female sexual assault, even if he is going, absolutely appropriately, to a male prison.

Needapadlockonmyfridge · 10/10/2025 21:54

Greyskybluesky · 10/10/2025 13:35

I don't think even they believe it any more - they're just churning out the she/her at this point

Like here: "The court heard Watkin would serve her sentence at a prison for men"

Sadly, my experience tells me that complaining yo the BBC about this does nothing. It's disgraceful but they keep doing it.

BellissimoGecko · 10/10/2025 21:59

Christ. That filter is doing some heavy lifting. Mind you, he must have put on several stone since the pic on the left was taken…

AquaFurball · 10/10/2025 22:12

BellissimoGecko · 10/10/2025 21:59

Christ. That filter is doing some heavy lifting. Mind you, he must have put on several stone since the pic on the left was taken…

I would guess the filter used is a body morphing one. No medical treatment so no top surgery. That's all app.

Kendodd · 10/10/2025 22:50

Bedheadbeachbum · 10/10/2025 21:33

So as soon as a TW transgresses a man, the courts immediately say 'she' is biologically male and dishes out a prison sentence.

Women however have been coerced to call male rapists women, in court, or told they haven't been raped at all like at that hospital because there were no 'men' present.

This is just like Sharon Davis says about sport - the men would simply not put up with it if some injustice was being done to them.

My feelings exactly.
I bet if the victim had been a lesbian women there would be zero chance of a conviction. She would just get a massive Internet pile on for misgendering and being a terf.

That's another point, why didn't the police arrested the victim for a hate crime against the transwoman? Can't help feeling a lesbian would have been arrested if she dared complain.

LooseCanyon · 11/10/2025 00:08

Much much sad


Ashleeee 🎃🪭
‪@reactiveashley.bsky.social‬
1/🧵 Is there any information on whether Ciara Watkin plans to appeal the bristling miscarriage of justice that effectively criminalises the sex lives of all trans people in England? Recorder Peter Makepeace KC‘s misogynistic remarks shocks me.
10 October 2025 at 15:33
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‪Ashleeee 🎃🪭‬ ‪@reactiveashley.bsky.social‬
· 8h
2/ Recorder Makepeace somehow thought it appropriate to say there were many other “convincing” images of Watkin and that the press deliberately chose photos where she wasn’t passing in order to mock the so-called victim. A male judge commenting on a woman’s appearance in open court is insane.


‪Ashleeee 🎃🪭‬ ‪@reactiveashley.bsky.social‬
· 8h
3/ And of course, the offensive, religious, patriarchal notion of “biological sex” has been reintroduced into criminal law by sheer authoritarianism. This is wrong and must be rectified.


‪Ashleeee 🎃🪭‬ ‪@reactiveashley.bsky.social‬
· 8h
4/ The evil deed of Hodge, Simler, Reed, et al have resulted in a then-18-year-old woman being jailed for 20 months simply for giving a blowjob. They must be held accountable.


‪Ashleeee 🎃🪭‬ ‪@reactiveashley.bsky.social‬
· 8h
5/ Recorder Makepeace is not just complicit in this injustice. He made it clear that he views trans identities and sexual orientations as forms of deception and indicators of repeat offending. Despite knowing how vulnerable the true victim is, he chose to punch down on her. A truly nasty judge.


‪Ashleeee 🎃🪭‬ ‪@reactiveashley.bsky.social‬
· 8h
6/ Following the Supreme Court’s decision, bigots are enjoying their mask-off moment. There’s no point pretending you can’t critique judges personally, only their judgments. The judges are already taking their masks off; you don’t need to strip them further, just point out that they have no mask.


‪Ashleeee 🎃🪭‬ ‪@reactiveashley.bsky.social‬
· 7h
7/ I should note that this is essentially a case of retroactive criminalisation caused by Brexit. Bigots are only able to pull this trick because the spillover effect of EU law into criminal law no longer exists.


‪Ashleeee 🎃🪭‬ ‪@reactiveashley.bsky.social‬
· 7h
8/ Trans people “by definition” must be imprisoned, and “by definition” cannot be changed by non-custodial sentences. This is what the judge had in mind: state-sanctioned conversion and torture.

‪darkhorsedan.bsky.social‬ ‪@darkhorsedan.bsky.social‬
· 8h
So much gross bigotry, transphobia in this story, it's disgusting. I hate this country so much right now. This comment from the judge stuck out, not just for being transphobic but i would also argue homophobic as well, suggesting that a man can't be straight if he's attracted to a trans woman.

ALT


‪Ashleeee 🎃🪭‬ ‪@reactiveashley.bsky.social‬
· 7h
9/ It’s puzzling that we continue to honour Alan Turing on our banknotes, yet it’s so clear that the lesson remains unlearned.


‪Ashleeee 🎃🪭‬ ‪@reactiveashley.bsky.social‬
· 6h
10/ Finally the fash should also be named Martin Scotson of Cleveland Police.

Bluesky

https://bsky.app/profile/reactiveashley.bsky.social/post/3m2tvbbeb3k2p/quotes

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AltitudeCheck · 11/10/2025 00:16

"women forced to rely on survival sex work to survive."

Such a male attitude that they need 'survival sex' / can't manage without sex/ it's ok to subject someone to SA to meet their 'needs'...

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/10/2025 00:21

He seems to think it was due to the Supreme Court Equality Act ruling 🤡

4/ The evil deed of Hodge, Simler, Reed, et al have resulted in a then-18-year-old woman being jailed for 20 months simply for giving a blowjob. They must be held accountable.

LarryIsMyRomanEmpire · 11/10/2025 00:25

The Reddit thread on this is hilarious 😂

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/10/2025 00:27

Any man or woman who gives non consensual oral sex could be “jailed for giving a blow job”. The key? Consent.

DeanElderberry · 11/10/2025 07:32

Highlighting again that physical response to stimulus is not consent, in spite of the horrific claims of some paedophiles and rapists.

thetooththewholetooth · 11/10/2025 07:45

This is such an important judgement. I wonder if the outcome would have been the same if he'd had his penis removed surgically? Does this do away with the whole nonsense of the concept of "deadnaming"? Do trans people have to be honest about their biological sex with any potential partners to ensure informed consent? Great.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/10/2025 07:57

Yes, this has always been the law, I don’t know why these fools think it’s somehow a new thing. It has zero to do with the Equality Act.

Datun · 11/10/2025 08:15

FortheloveofPetethePlumber · 10/10/2025 14:03

I can remember another some time further back with a poster not only vigorously insisting that it was necessary that men were able to gain sex by deception without consequence, but claimed to be encouraging and teaching teens in ways to do it. It was not pretty reading.

If I remember correctly he would encourage them to only deceive people who were unlikely to report them.

Using TRA language, like, don't go stealth with transphobes.

edited to add that I'm not seeing the term 'go stealth' much in those Reddit and Bluesky responses.

Maybe TRAs have finally realised that the jig is up and people can see through their deceptive language.

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Helleofabore · 11/10/2025 08:23

Datun · 11/10/2025 08:15

If I remember correctly he would encourage them to only deceive people who were unlikely to report them.

Using TRA language, like, don't go stealth with transphobes.

edited to add that I'm not seeing the term 'go stealth' much in those Reddit and Bluesky responses.

Maybe TRAs have finally realised that the jig is up and people can see through their deceptive language.

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He absolutely used to advise that. And was proud of the way he did it. He would also refuse to consider that those words were, in fact, advising predatory behaviour.